Posted on 03/14/2024 8:23:42 AM PDT by delta7
How? You ask.....Ukraine can’t - not possible.
Bottom line is war is always about LAND....every time.
Biden got 81 million votes, just like Ukraine has had only 31 thousand killed.
The same Regime media tells us both are true.
As long as Zelensky rules indefinitely Ukrainians will die until they’re gone....and as long as Bidens in office here.
Yeah, you go with that NOTconservative loser.
-fJRoberts-
I’m not on either side here really; neither are “good guys.”
But seeing all the young men ran away from their home country to swamp Western Europe, it does not bode well for Ukraine.
Imagine the Afghans had run likewise: Russia would’ve won easily there, instead of getting its ass kicked.
Winning on foreign soil against a determined home population has shown itself to be very, very difficult again and again.
If the military aged males don’t care to fight for their country, on home soil, screw ‘em. Total waste of money and effort.
—What ever came of the Ghost of Kiev?
—What are we up to for Russian casualties?
—How many thousand tanks have the Russians lost so far?
—How's that counteroffensive going?
—Why aren't there any Ukrainian casualties or material losses in this war? Why is this almost nonexistent in our media?
—When again is Ukraine taking back Crimea in this war?
—Have our Wonder-weapons changed the tide of the war?
—Now that public opinion has shifted is it mere coincidence that stories on the cost of this war have become rare?
—Why are there almost no stories of most of the Leo's being destroyed, most of the M1’s moving into the combat area getting turned into burning hulks? There is video recordings of it all...
—So the Russians blew up the Nordstream pipeline, that's really the most feasible scenario, right? hahaha
—How democratic is a nation where they have killed over 14 opposition political leaders, banned opposition parties, closed radio and newspapers that dare contradict the state narrative, banned HAM radio since you might hear something the state doesn't want you to hear, and canceled future elections?
—How sovereign is a nation entirely subordinate to us?
—Did the guys on Snake Island really fight to the last man?
—Are the Ukrainians really going to hold out for months at the Mariupol iron works? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65155075 Show me a Western article that condemns this and uses the term “terrorism” without quoting the Russians to describe it?
—How is this about human rights if Ukraine itself has a horrible human rights record?
—Isn't it about time for folks to cheer on and write stories about how great it is that there was another entirely “non-terrorist” (our terrorists are freedom fighters) attack in Russia, sponsored by the Ukraine of course?
***What exactly is propaganda in your mind?***
Is it ONLY from the other side? The side you disagree with? Can there be such a thing as truth or objectivity and you do not like it?
***The only propaganda you get in any appreciable amount is from the Ukrainian/US/Euro side. We mass censor the Russians, and if you want their perspective you have to exert effort to get around the great wall of bull$hit we have erected.***
It is Western (US/Euro) media where you get an endless drivel of this: https://en.as.com/en/2022/03/12/latest_news/1647049220_819544.html and folks like you claim anything which contradicts this crap is Putin Propaganda, but you use zero arguments, zero facts to back up your glorious Ukraine is winning assertion, nor do you back your cause of the war, nor your rationalization of why there is some moral calling in helping Ukraine (democracy / sovereignty). ***Your reasoning (if you want to call it that), “I am right and everyone that disagrees is bad and using Putin Propaganda. I do not need any facts or arguments.”***
However, we can have an Economic Depression in America and collapse trust in the Fed and the Dollar as the World Reserve Currency for just a few Billion more in Gifts to Ukraine.
All of them.
Ask europe to send their soldiers...
“More Pro Putin propaganda - it never stops.”
Since Brian only uses Western (or Ukrainian) Media Sources, would you mind telling us which ones here are ‘propaganda’?
would you mind telling us which ones here are ‘propaganda’?
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Basically any thread posted by you or your Russian-loving buddies.
“Basically any thread posted by you or your Russian-loving buddies.”
Sucks to see the Neocons getting SPANKED, ehhhh!!!!
There are no “neocons” here - former democrats who became conservative during the Reagan administration.
You ask a question, I answered, and you did not like the answer
We do the same thing: https://merlin.obs.coe.int/article/9541
You have to actually exert effort to get around these barriers in allowing you to only get the message they want you to see and hear.
This is a problem for your argument, because the only “propaganda” you're getting in mass is from a pro-Ukrainian nationalist, pro-war, Western (US and EU) perspective.
Using terms like propaganda, when you have Ukrainian government officials ghost writing articles that are posted in US media outlets (gives it credibility), our government knowing the truth but withholding it and allowing what they know are lies to persist (bogus casualty and material loss reports - proven by the Newsweek leaks where our government very well knows the truth), downplaying all the derogatory stories regards one position (Nazi ideology, mercenaries, abuses on ethnic Russian in the inter war period, our violation or withdraw from treaties) while maximizing all those stories supporting the nationalist side... Having the government part of this Information Operation (IO) intended to influence perceptions in order to impact decision making, THAT is the textbook definition of propaganda, and it's “YOU” that is regurgitating it. If it were just private citizens and business, it would be advertising, but since it's a government pushing this, it becomes propaganda.
What Ukraine, Covid, the 2020 elections, and J6 prove, is that the media in the West is on certain key issues, controlled.
It is NOT a free media which serves as a watchdog unless it's someone the powers to be want destroyed, then they let the dogs loose, AfD in Germany, Trump...
With the end of true competition and formation of the big media conglomerates who are all politically aligned, the creation of big tech which has from its inception been hand in glove with the IC, you today in the West have something which is very similar to what was in the Soviet Union in the Cold War, mass censorship and state propaganda.
Ukraine may be short on manpower. But they need to build thousands of drones and rely on “mobile defense” to plug in gaps where the Russians are attacking.
Or, alternatively, the purported threat Russia poses to the rest of Europe AND the US, which demands our involvement, is complete BS.
You guys may note that in attempting to discredit Brian’s WESTERN SOURCES (the only sources he uses) that the Neocon supporters are UNABLE to provide any specifics.
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