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French lawmakers approve Macron's Ukraine strategy
Le Monde ^

Posted on 03/12/2024 7:55:35 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE

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To: USA-FRANCE

Far more recent French history. . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France


21 posted on 03/13/2024 1:47:05 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo (Either the Deep State destroys America or we destroy the Deep State. -Donald Trump)
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To: USA-FRANCE

Keep your White flag handy frenchie.


22 posted on 03/13/2024 3:07:21 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust! Long live the Republic.)
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To: nwrep; USA-FRANCE

well, you’re just going by WWII.

Over the last 800 years, France fought 185 major battles and won 132 (lost 43 and 10 draws).


23 posted on 03/13/2024 3:37:08 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: BobL; tennmountainman; USA-FRANCE
Bobl: I guess this generation of the French are about to find out what earlier generations learned the hard way about fighting Russians.

France only fought Russia only thrice - in the Napoleonic wars, in the Ottoman-Egyptian war and in the Crimean war

Napoleonic wars (1792-1815)

  1. War of the second coalition (1798-1812) - the French won against Russia and its partners

  2. War of the Third Coalition (1803-1806) - France won against Russia

  3. War of the Fourth Coalition (1806) - France won against Russia

  4. French invasion of Russia (1812) - France lost against Russia (or rather against the Russian weather)

  5. War of the 6th coalition - France lost against Russia and allies
Second Egyptian-Ottoman war 1839-1841 - Russia fought on the side of the Ottoman empire against the Eyalet of Egypt allied with France --> the Ottomans with their Russian (and British, Austrian and Prussian allies) won against Egypt (and their French ally)

Crimean war 1853-1856 - France allied with the Ottomans and British and Sardinia won against the Russian empire

So France won 4 wars against Russa and Russia won 3 and the last was 180 years ago.

24 posted on 03/13/2024 3:50:14 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: BlackbirdSST

You go by one instance 84 years ago.

To say that the French are all “cheese eating surrender monkeys” is short-sighted to say the least. Now, whilst it is true that the French collapsed like a deck of cards in World War II, that shouldn’t be taken as representative. In particular the French had rather a good result against the Brits in the conflict from 1775–1783 which the Americans call the Revolutionary War. Their own version of history rather overlooks the fact that most of the experienced troops and a significant number of their officers were French.

French involvement in the American Revolutionary War of 1775–1783 began in 1776 when the Kingdom of France secretly shipped supplies to the Continental Army of the Thirteen Colonies when it was established in June 1775.

A Treaty of Alliance between the French and the Continental Army followed in 1778, which led to French money, matériel and troops being sent to the United States. An ignition of a global war with Britain started shortly thereafter. Subsequently, Spain and the Dutch Republic also began to send assistance, which, along with other political developments in Europe, left the British with no allies during the conflict (excluding the Hessians). Spain openly declared war in 1779, and war between British and Dutch followed soon after.

France’s help was a major and decisive contribution towards the United States’ eventual victory and independence in the war. However, as a cost of participation in the war, France accumulated over 1 billion livres in debt, which significantly strained the nation’s finances. The French government’s failure to control spending (in combination with other factors) led to unrest in the nation, which eventually culminated in a revolution a few years after the conflict between the US and Great Britain concluded.

What happened in 1940 was not a result of cowardice on the part of the French soldier. It was a consequence of vastly superior leadership and tactics on the part of the Germans. Leadership in war is everything; it’s very hard for any amount of bravery and courage to overcome poor generalship.

In the wars of 1870 and 1940, the French troops were at a severe disadvantage compared to their German counterparts when it came to their commanders. In 1914, the French leadership may have been better, and it was at least as good. In that campaign, it was a French general (Joseph Gallieni) who showed resolve and initiative when the Germans were just a few miles from Paris, and his actions saved the French capital. Whenever the French faced a serious threat, there was always someone like Petain or Foch to provide strong leadership and prevent defeat.


25 posted on 03/13/2024 4:03:53 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: USA-FRANCE

Be more respectful.

Ike allowing free French Forces to enter Paris first...just cuz....


26 posted on 03/13/2024 4:10:45 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: USA-FRANCE

Ukraine is our “ally” only in that the globalists said so.


27 posted on 03/13/2024 4:51:05 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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“ike allowing free French Forces to enter Paris first...just cuz....”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well, I see you know your history...
You are right on this one. America let French forces enter Paris first during the liberation of France on 25th of August 1944.
A truly gracious gesture by America. It was foremost a show of friendship I think rather than respect. Maybe it also was a way for America to thank France for its decisive contribution to America’s War of Independence (The American Revolution).

To tell you the truth, even though I respect Charles de Gaulle, I have never been fond of him. He was pompous and had unnecessary high thoughts about himself.


28 posted on 03/13/2024 7:45:41 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE
French lawmakers approve Macron's Ukraine strategy

This is going to be as good as the Maginot Line!

29 posted on 03/13/2024 10:45:52 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Cronos; BlackbirdSST

Verdun 1916. For 10 months the French successfully resisted the most powerful military assault in history (up to that time) in one of the longest ever battles. The Germans eventually gave up and moved elsewhere. 377,000+ dead on each side.


30 posted on 03/13/2024 11:25:09 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: Navy Patriot

« This is going to be as good as the Maginot Line! »

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Fine humor there! Thank you very much.
Actually, the Maginot Line was a piece of art - pure perfection.
That’s why Hitler chose to avoid it all together.

It proves one thing though:
That even if we finish our southern border Wall one day, the invaders will still find ways to enter America.


31 posted on 03/13/2024 12:34:37 PM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

List of U.S. Army Divisions in Europe - World War II

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_divisions_during_World_War_II


32 posted on 03/13/2024 8:25:44 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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