The workday is well underway by 9. People do seem to stop around 5, but they start well before 9. I have never had a job that started at 9. 8:30 is the latest. Self-employed people never start or stop. It’s all the same day, man.
If they’re working a full 40 hour week, 9-5 means that they’re getting paid for lunch.
“self employed people never start or stop” is so true. every day just turns into the next day because that’s how REAL work gets done. and retire? HAHAHAHA! old timer told me years ago “son, if you think you are busy now...just wait until you retire!”. he wasn’t kidding. when a “get it done” type person tries to retire it seems that there’s no one with the necessary experience to take their place and the demand for quality and experience doesn’t stop. “wisdom doesn’t always come with age but age comes anyway”.