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To: TexasFreeper2009

“Russia is already one of the largest geographic countries in the world.. why do they need MORE land? the cities have been destroyed and the people have been killed or fled. What is the point? more land? None of this makes any sense.”

65% of Russia is in permafrost, no one lives there. Russia says stopping the years-long shelling of Russian speaking people is one excuse, a land buffer between Russia and NATO is another. I guess we’ll know Russia has enough land when they are stopped from taking more or stop taking more on their own. For now, Russia is expanding the land it controls.


26 posted on 02/25/2024 6:44:12 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Are you ready for Black Lives MAGA? It's coming.)
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To: SaxxonWoods
Russia says stopping the years-long shelling of Russian speaking people is one excuse.

How many times is this Russian lie going to be repeated?

37 posted on 02/25/2024 7:41:13 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: SaxxonWoods

This war is a competition for the resources of the Ukraine (its grain and its industries) between the nascent Fourth Reich and the resurgent Russian Empire. Both want what the Ukraine has. Both want it bad enough to kill for it.


57 posted on 02/25/2024 8:23:40 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: SaxxonWoods
65% of Russia is in permafrost, no one lives there.

143 million people live there. It's the biggest nation in the world as far in square miles. And, there are plenty of warm places like Sochi in it.

61 posted on 02/25/2024 8:36:47 PM PST by Kazan
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To: SaxxonWoods
65% of Russia is in permafrost, no one lives there.

No one? One of the coldest cities on earth.

"n Yakutsk, temperatures regularly fall below -58F/-50C in January for prolonged periods of time. The coldest temperature ever recorded outside Antarctica, of -90F/-68C, was recorded in the same region of Siberia as Yakutsk.

The current metro area population of Yakutsk in 2024 is 342,000, a 0.88% increase from 2023."

63 posted on 02/25/2024 9:07:31 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: SaxxonWoods; Petrosius; Reverend Wright; Right_Wing_Madman
Saxxon and Reverend Wright, the more you and your fellow travellers on the good ship WeLoveTheBareChestedBearWrestlingStronkman keep on parroting the Vranyo from Moscow, the more you'll get schooled on it. Eventually, people will see your failure to understand Vranyo, as putting y'all on the same level of dumb and gullible as people who think they're buying one of Britain's most famous bridges.

The result of all the collated figures in all the monthly and annual reports even the ones collected by Russia's own proxies on the ground is shown in the Annual reports to 2020 | ombudsman-dnr.ru. Because people clearly don't read these PDFs because they don't want to find out they were lied to by Russia, I've taken screenshots and added them to this imgur.:

  

The 2020 report that Right_Wing_Madman references but either didn't read or is incapable of understanding, says

     From 1 to 31 March 2020, Office of the UN High Commissioner for 
     Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded 19 conflict-related civilian 
     casualties: two killed (one man and one woman) and 17 injured 
     (eight women, six men, two girls and one boy), a 280 per cent 
     increase compared with February 2020 (one killed and four injured).

Let me spell it out why that ain't genocide and that ain't a causus belli for war. Five civilians died in one month, 19 in another month, it's 280% increase on an already statistically insignificant number. And where were those civilians who were getting shelled? OH. Well blow me down... they were in the Ukrainian controlled WEST. So they were being hit by, anyone, anyone, Bueller? Yup, missiles from the EAST. In other words, it's the DNR separatists who were lobbing the shells that were killing civilians.

     The majority of civilian casualties resulting from shelling and 
     SALW fire were recorded in three areas: Horlivka and Zaitseve; 
     the western parts of Donetsk and settlements to the west 
     (Krasnohorivka, Marinka, Oleksandrivka, Staromykhailivka and 
     Syhnalne); and Dokuchaievsk.

OK, the immediate reaction to facts from the Putin lobby is a bit like Dracula's reaction to garlic mayo, so immediately they get dismissed as Western sources. You'd think the West woul airbrush the numbers down with Russia's version being way way higher, to justify their SMO. Well... Funnily enough, that hasn't happened. Because Russia has its own far more detailed reports that merit far more attention than Lavrov's bitching or Putin's distant history recitals, and here's the one from the FSB office of the Putin-approved DNR Ombudsman, in Donetsk. Dec 2020 monthly report | ombudsman-dnr.ru

     Within the period between 1 January and 25 December 2020, in the 
     territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic, 105 persons sustained
     injuries and traumas of varying severities...
     70 servicemen of the Republic and 35 civilians

     Within the period between 1 January and 25 December 2020, in the 
     territory of the DPR, 47 servicemen of the Republic and 5 civilians 
     died as a result of armed aggression by Ukraine.

The 2021 equivalent report is Dec 2021 monthly report | ombudsman-dnr.ru

     Within the period between 1 January and 30 December 2021, in the 
     territory of the DPR, 129 people sustained injuries ... 
     97 servicemen of the Republic and 32 civilians. 

     Within the period between 1 January and 30 December 2021, in the 
     territory of the DPR, 7 civilians and 70 servicemen of the 
     Republic died ... 

Example 2: Jan 2022 monthly report | ombudsman-dnr.ru

     CASES OF INJURIES AND TRAUMAS OF VARYING SEVERITY AS A RESULT OF 
     ARMED AGGRESSION BY UKRAINE IN THE TERRITORY OF THE DPR FROM 
     JANUARY 01, 2022 TO JANUARY 28, 2022 
     CIVILIANS: 0 
     SERVICEMEN OF THE REPUBLIC: 2 
     IN TOTAL: 2 

     DEATH TOLL AS A RESULT OF ARMED AGGRESSION BY UKRAINE IN THE 
     TERRITORY OF THE DPR FROM JANUARY  01, 2022 TO JANUARY 21, 2022 
     CIVILIANS: 0
     SERVICEMEN: 1 

There's no equivalent data summarised in the Feb 2022 monthly report because the DNR didn't want to advertise the difference between the single digit deaths in that month pre-invasion and the multi-digit numbers after it. Doing so would've conclusively proved to the entire world that Denis Pushilin's "prevent a genocide" plea to Moscow was a staged false flag.

No matter how many times the pro-Putin trolls dredge up this allegation, the FSB's own monitors, and the records of Putin's conversations with Zelenskyy (which are published on the Kremlin website) actually show that Russia's "peacekeeping" argument for military intervention in Ukraine was strongest in 2014-2016, weakened between then and July 2019, and ceased to have any validity after Christmas 2019.

71 posted on 02/26/2024 12:09:40 AM PST by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe" - Holmes to Watson, A Scandal in Bohemia)
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