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To: Red6

You are nuttier than I knew, you can’t focus on anything and now you are off and running into a whole new world of other rambling topics. Weird.


64 posted on 02/22/2024 2:08:42 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

You’re world view was shaped a long time ago and it gives you comfort to stay within that paradigm just like we enjoy the music of our formative years.

But times change.

The Soviet Union is no more.

The Warsaw Pact is no more.

Russia is a semi capitalist economy with a few powerful oligarchs not unlike us. The Russian government share of the GDP is about the same as ours: https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/exp@FPP/USA/FRA/JPN/GBR/SWE/ESP/ITA/ZAF/IND.

It’s not Russia that invaded Iraq under false pretences. It’s not Russia that invaded Syria, they were formal allies since 1970. It’s not Russia that attacked Libya in 2011. It’s not Russia that got caught red handed trying to overthrow the government in Venezuela in 2020. It’s not Russia building bases along our border and that lied about NATO East expansion. It’s not Russia that withdrew from the ballistic missile treaty, something which was a huge deal in your time. It’s not Russia that tries to violate Montreux. It’s not Russia that violated Minsk until after we did, grossly.

We are no longer the America of Ronald Reagan, may that be culturally, economically, our foreign policies, use of military force and the Intel services. Yes, we once were a force for good.

The line dividing us from good and evil has become blurred. We torture: enhanced interrogation. We kidnap: extra ordinary rendition. We assassinate and we lie, lie, lie. Today we mass censor, are in bed with oppressive regimes, use our justice department and Intel service to meddle im our own elections... What really sets us apart from those “evil Russians” today?

This is what’s really going on: you have the last remaining super power (albeit mainland China is an emerging power) butting heads with a “has been” power. They sit on a lot of real estate we would like, and of course we need to liberate it all in the name of democracy, peace, WMD, human rights and sovereignty. Purely coincidentally, all of these places we want to liberate have a HUGE economic value.

We sort of starting straying off course post Cold War. After 9-11 and as the true GWOT ended, we went total economic/political motivated, expeditionary, offensive.

For example Libya 1986: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_United_States_bombing_of_Libya#:~:text=The%20United%20States%20Air%20Force,on%20Libyan%20leader%20Muammar%20Gaddafi. They attacked us, so we bombed the crap out of them. Reagan was right.

But this is the sort of CRAP we do today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya. They didn’t attack us. They didn’t declare the Gulf of Libya as their national waters, they didn’t shoot missiles towards Italy... See a difference?

This is us today: https://youtu.be/UD4kFxyHALo?si=erRBhCj_h84dJNnI. He’s talking about invading our neighbor which poses ZERO danger to us, a NAFTA member state, because it’s politically beneficial for him. No different than Cesar taking Gaul and becoming a hero, he wants to advance his political career by invading another nation.

We have become a very different country post Cold War.

You are a man living in the past. Go to the VFW, put on one of those goofy caps, eat a steak, talk about the good ole times and play your favorite song: https://youtu.be/ox4IRQVGsBU?si=xJGiYlewa3MOXfgB Stay out of politics.


66 posted on 02/22/2024 4:06:46 PM PST by Red6
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