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Posted on 02/19/2024 5:44:59 PM PST by NoLibZone
Each year from 2023 to 2030, climate change sustainable development goals will cost every person in economies such as the United States $2,026, the U.N. Conference on Trade and Development estimates. In lower-income economies, the per-person annual cost ranges from $332 to $1,864. In total, the global price tag comes to about $5.5 trillion per year.
Separately, a report from the left-aligned nonprofit Climate Policy Initiative found that in 2021 and 2022, the world’s taxpayers spent $1.3 trillion each year on climate-related projects. It also found that the “annual climate finance needed” from 2031 to 2050 is more than $10 trillion each year.
“Anyone who willfully denies the impact of climate change is condemning the American people to a very dangerous future,” President Joe Biden said on Nov. 14, 2023, while announcing $6 billion in new investments through the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA). “The impacts we’re seeing are only going to get worse, more frequent, more ferocious, and more costly.”
At its signing in August 2022, President Biden said the IRA “invests $369 billion to take the most aggressive action ever—ever, ever, ever—in confronting the climate crisis and strengthening our economic—our energy security.”
A report from Goldman Sachs put the dollar amount much higher, stating, “Critical funding for this next energy revolution is expected to come from the IRA, which will provide an estimated $1.2 trillion of incentives by 2032.”
The trillions of dollars being poured into new initiatives stem from the goals set by the United Nations’ Paris Agreement’s legally binding international treaty to “substantially reduce global greenhouse gas emissions” in the hope of maintaining a temperature of no more than 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels.
But any decrease in carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions won’t have an effect for hundreds to thousands of years—even under the most restrictive circumstances, according to some experts.
“If emissions of CO2 stopped altogether, it would take many thousands of years for atmospheric CO2 to return to ‘pre-industrial’ levels,” the Royal Society states in a report on its website. The organization describes itself as a “fellowship of many of the world’s most eminent scientists.” “Surface temperatures would stay elevated for at least a thousand years, implying a long-term commitment to a warmer planet due to past and current emissions,” the report states. “The current CO2-induced warming of Earth is therefore essentially irreversible on human timescales.”
A frequently asked questions page on NASA’s website holds the same position.
“If we stopped emitting greenhouse gases today, the rise in global temperatures would begin to flatten within a few years. Temperatures would then plateau but remain well-elevated for many, many centuries,” NASA states.
And, other scientists say, that’s because CO2 isn’t the culprit in the first place.
“CO2 does not cause global warming. Global warming causes more CO2,” said Edwin Berry, a theoretical physicist and certified consulting meteorologist. He called Royal Society’s position on CO2 “pure junk science.”
Ian Clark, emeritus professor for the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of Ottawa, agreed that if all greenhouse gas emissions ceased today, the Earth would continue warming—but not because of CO2.
He said that contrary to popular opinion, temperature doesn’t follow CO2—instead, CO2 follows temperature, which, itself, is due to solar activity. Temperature and CO2
One of Mr. Clark’s primary areas of research is paleoclimatology (the study of climate conditions using indirect records such as tree ring data, ice cores, and other proxy records), and in particular, Arctic paleohydrogeology, which is the study of the Earth’s water throughout history.
“During the ice ages, we had great temperature variations, and this has to do with, not straight-up solar activity, but the amount of solar activity that is hitting the Earth at certain important latitudes, all caused by celestial events,” Mr. Clark said.
“The Earth, in our solar system, is moving around and being jostled. And we have different orbiting patterns that affect solar input, and that creates ice ages and interglacial periods—which we’re in now. And CO2 tracks that. So we'll see enormous temperature changes, going from ice ages to interglacials, and CO2 gets very low during ice ages and very high during interglacials.
“And that gives the appearance that CO2 is driving the climate, but it’s actually following. It lags by about 800 years.”
Mr. Clark said that during ice ages, and particularly the past 10,000 years, scientists have a fairly good idea of the temperature, thanks to proxy records. He said those records show that the Medieval Warm Period was likely much warmer than today, and agriculture and civilization flourished.
But the Little Ice Age followed that from the 1400s to 1800s. “And that’s when we had difficulty with agriculture,” Mr. Clark said.
“The Thames froze over. We have all sorts of recollections about how cold, and some would say miserable, it was back then. But then it started warming up again. So, about every 1,000 years or so, we seem to have these fluctuations. This is due to solar activity, and that’s where we see the importance of the sun, which is the ultimate source of energy beyond geothermal and nuclear energy. Solar drives climate.”
Mr. Jackson is a distinguished research and emeritus professor for the department of chemistry at UC–Davis who specializes in understanding the role that molecules such as CO2, nitrogen, and carbon monoxide play in planetary atmospheres.
His paper, published in 2017, found that “changes in atmospheric CO2 concentration did not cause temperature change in the ancient climate.”
Similarly, a group of researchers whose report was published in Nature found that when looking at carbon isotope compositions at the million-year scale, long-term atmospheric carbon dioxide was unrelated to temperature, and even showed an inverse trend, especially after major events such as volcanic eruptions.
A geological timescale showing the concentration of CO2 and temperature fluctuations over time. (Courtesy of Dr. Patrick Moore) A geological timescale showing the concentration of CO2 and temperature fluctuations over time. (Courtesy of Dr. Patrick Moore)
They further found that when temperature and atmospheric CO2 reached a certain level, organic carbon burial drastically increased, eventually resulting in a significant decrease in atmospheric CO2 levels.
That activity, Mr. Berry said, is nature balancing the levels of CO2—which is an ongoing process.
Inflow and Outflow
CO2 flows from the atmosphere into plants through photosynthesis and soil through decomposition, is absorbed by the oceans, and is then released through respiration, evaporation, and fossil fuel combustion. The entire process is called the carbon cycle.
Moreover, Mr. Berry said that once CO2 in the atmosphere increases to a certain level, nature automatically increases the outflow.
“It’s almost like a bathtub, which may have a spout open so that water can flow out of it if it reaches a certain level,” he said. “A certain setting of the inflow will raise the level to a certain point. And as the [water] level goes up, the faster it'll flow out. There’s a balance level for any inflow setting—a balance level where it all stays the same. In other words, the outflow equals the inflow. And when the outflow reaches the inflow, it’s at its balance level, and it no longer accumulates.”
Mr. Berry said the premise that humans are solely responsible for increasing CO2 is problematic.
According to the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), since 1750, CO2 concentration has increased from 280 parts per million (ppm) to more than 420 ppm, and the IPCC claims that this increase is anthropogenic, or caused by humans.
“Current concentrations of atmospheric CO2 and CH4 [methane] far exceed pre-industrial values found in polar ice core records of atmospheric composition dating back 650,000 years,” the IPCC states. “Multiple lines of evidence confirm that the post-industrial rise in these gases does not stem from natural mechanisms. ... Emissions of CO2 from fossil fuel use and from the effects of land use change on plant and soil carbon are the primary sources of increased atmospheric CO2.”
Mr. Berry called the IPCC’s statement “totally garbage.”
“I used the IPCC’s own carbon cycle data, which IPCC says is accurate to about 20 percent,” he said. “The model doesn’t give humans producing 140 ppm. It comes out closer to 30 ppm. Which essentially means the IPCC is wrong.”
Mr. Berry said there’s no scientific basis for the claim that a “certain amount of carbon dioxide in the air causes a certain amount of temperature increase.”
“They say we have to reduce (CO2) to 350 ppm to cool it down to where temperature was a while ago? There’s no physics to that,” he said.
“That whole claim is totally garbage. CO2 doesn’t cause a change in temperature; temperature causes a change in CO2.” Climate Dictated by Sun
“If we completely cut out emissions, CO2 would stop rising at its current rate,” Mr. Clark said. “But it would probably continue to rise to a certain point, and then it could come down. But that would be driven by temperature.”
Mr. Clark said that in different parts of the world and at different times of the year, CO2 fluctuates “between 15 and 20 percent,” and that’s driven by the temperature of the seasons.
“If we start having cooler summers and colder winters, those fluctuations would start driving CO2 further down. But overall, climate is going to do whatever the sun dictates,” he said.
Astronomers at the Solar & Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) captured this image of a solar prominence erupting from the surface of the sun on Oct. 25, 2002. It is shown here with the Earth in scale to demonstrate the immense size of this solar phenomenon. (SOHO/ESA/NASA/Getty Images) Astronomers at the Solar & Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) captured this image of a solar prominence erupting from the surface of the sun on Oct. 25, 2002. It is shown here with the Earth in scale to demonstrate the immense size of this solar phenomenon. (SOHO/ESA/NASA/Getty Images)
“We have a fairly good understanding of the different cycles the sun can go through and how they pile up. Sometimes, they amplify each other. Sometimes they cancel each other. So, we get kind of a chaotic signal, but some come through quite strongly—this 1,000-year cycle seems to be quite strong.
“We had the Roman Warm Period, then the Medieval Warm Period, and now we have the Modern Warm Period; one, two, three. And history and the records tell us they only last a couple hundred years, and we’re already a hundred-some-odd years into this one.”
In addition to not affecting temperature, Mr. Clark said the attempts to reduce CO2 are dangerous because of the anticipated effect on plants.
“C4 plants, like corn, evolved just 20–30 million years ago. And they evolved in response to the declining CO2 in the atmosphere. So, they’re a relative latecomer to our biosphere and reflect the danger of decreasing CO2,” he said.
A majority of plants, such as trees, wheat, and rice, are what’s known as C3 plants, which thrive at higher CO2 levels of 800 to 1500 ppm.
Mr. Clark said one of the benefits of increasing CO2 is improved global grain yields and the general greening of the planet.
In response to The Epoch Times’ request for comment about the Royal Society’s findings that temperature will continue to increase for hundreds to thousands of years even if CO2 emissions were to cease today, Alex Matthews-King, the group’s senior press officer, said via email, “This is a peer-reviewed report authored jointly by Fellows from the Royal Society and U.S. National Academy of Science.”
He pointed to the report’s foreword, which states: “Climate change is one of the defining issues of our time. It is now more certain than ever, based on many lines of evidence, that humans are changing Earth’s climate. The atmosphere and oceans have warmed, which has been accompanied by sea level rise, a strong decline in Arctic sea ice, and other climate-related changes.
“The impacts of climate change on people and nature are increasingly apparent. Unprecedented flooding, heat waves, and wildfires have cost billions in damages. Habitats are undergoing rapid shifts in response to changing temperatures and precipitation patterns. Calls for action are getting louder.”
Mr. Clark agreed that humans “do have a footprint on this planet, there’s no question about that.”
But he suggested that the underreported larger effect is being felt in the oceans, where humans have “killed off 90 percent of the large fish population, and whales, and all the rest.”
He said he believes that the money and resources spent on climate conferences could go to “actually improve environmental problems.”
“Anybody who’s a climate realist recognizes that the money we’re spending on mitigation—where we think that we are turning back the CO2 thermostat or trying to turn back to the thermostat and save the world 1.5 degrees of warming—knows that it’s a fantasy. There’s no way we will affect climate with what we’re doing.”
CO2 is plant food.
If climate change is the biggest issue facing humanity how does allowing in tens of millions of illegals help reduce carbon output?
They had been living the desired low carbon lives prior to arrival.
True dat. Follow the money into the oligarchs pockets.
Pure junk science brilliantly created to successfully impose global communist tyranny...
Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, FDR, Stalin, and other left wing socialists have to be spinning in their graves out of jealousy...
The climate change scam is about money, true, but even more about power over people. Making them do what they don’t want to do, and keeping them from doing what they do want to do. There’s a type of person to whom that is the most desirable thing of all, and (surprise, surprise) such people tend to get into positions of power.
What’s the answer? I don’t know. There have always been people like that, but there was always somewhere to go to escape them. Now, not so much, and it’s getting worse.
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I think NASA is proposing all of humanity stop exhaling for the next few centuries. Also, find a way to stop all volcanoes. Basically, the proposal is to end all life on earth for awhile so that things heal.
science ? someone mention me ?
stop breathing !!!
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Yes. Look at the success Hitler had with just radio and newspapers. Imagine what he would have done with the assets of social media. We’d all be living in a Nazi state.
The Leftnick environweenies need their pockets lined with terror-stricken donors living in their pajamas. As a result, these Leftnicks have created a brown skid mark through the political landscape.
Well said, and today we have 30+ countries run by this mindset. Most want control but more than a few are just plain low IQ fools.
Ever notice that those who believe that 4/100s’ of a single percent of CO2 will burn our planet up are the same people who think that the moon landing was faked?
If you are concerned, plant more trees. It shouldn’t be an economic suicide pact by the west.
All the rich liberal politicians who have bought expensive beachfront properties while harping on AGW should be put under oath and forced to testify why they bought such land while telling the public about how sea level rise was going to cause catastrophes for humanity.
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That’s what we used to be taught, last century. And this article actually stated quite clearly that co2 levels are lagging indicators of warming. The result of, not the cause of. There’s a lot of ‘climate grant’ fraud out there.
CO2 levels during the Devonian Geological Epoch were 6x what they are now...and not one of those dinosaurs was driving a Ford.
This is all hysteria caused by Michael Mann’s pre-PhD projections, where he manipulated the temperature record and erased the Roman Warming Period, the Medieval Warming Period and the Little Ice Age (when there was almost no sun spot activity for an extended period of time and the canals in The Netherlands froze over...creating the conditions documented in the Hans Brinker, or The Silver Skates novel) in order to form the ‘stick’ portion of the ridiculous Hockey Stick Graph.
Then, Mann manipulated the temperature data in the 1900’s to inflate temps in the 5 year data points, a ‘trick’ leaked by someone close to the action and published in The American Thinker more than a decade ago...followed by switching from meteorological records to tree rings for more recent history.
Tree ring variation is caused by more factors than temperature and are less accurate than the meteorological data that were collected. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/11/crus_source_code_climategate_r.html
Add to this a True Believer at NASA who has manipulated recent temperature records to indicate AGW when there was actually a decline in temperatures, as revealed by Randy Hoven, who provided weekly evidence in American Thinker of the warmest temps in various states during recorded history...most of which were set in the 1880’s 1890’s and 1930’s.
Hoven routinely collected and saved the data available from NASA and found that the data did not agree over time, with no announcement of the intervening adjustments.
Al Gore had a net worth of only $200K - $400K when he left the Naval Observatory at the end of the 2nd Clinton Administration...until he latched onto the AGW theory and hyped it. Now he is a multi-millionaire, who is so concerned about rising sea levels that he bought a ground floor condo across the street from San Francisco Bay.
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