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Ukraine's military is shifting to a defensive strategy that failed Nazi Germany in WWII
Business Insider ^ | 2/17/24 | Michael Peck

Posted on 02/17/2024 8:26:34 AM PST by hardspunned

In 1943, as the tide of war turned against the Third Reich, the German high command opted for a desperate strategy on the Eastern Front. Outnumbered and outgunned by the Red Army, the Germans pinned their hopes on a mobile, aggressive defense to stop a relentless series of Soviet offensives in Ukraine and southern Russia.

As today’s Ukraine fights over many of the same battlefields of 1943, it has chosen a strategy that echoes the German approach from 80 years ago. After the failure of its much-anticipated summer counteroffensive, and running low on ammunition and stamina to fight off continual Russian attacks, Ukrainian commanders talk of switching to an “active defense.” It hopes to block Russian advances while looking for opportunities to counterpunch and regain ground.

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To: Rockingham

The overall German effort caused huge Russian casualties, but they still lost,

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/gotterdammerung-in-the-east


81 posted on 02/17/2024 10:51:21 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: BobL
Tell that to the people in Donbass, particularly Donetsk, in very early 2022, as shells were raining down on them like a thunderstorm.

The fighting in Donbas started in 2014 when Russia seized the territory. As for 2022, there was very little shelling, none of it directed at the civilian population. Please stop with the Russian propaganda. No one is buying it.

82 posted on 02/17/2024 11:02:35 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: Reverend Wright

Thats in part because Hitler sacked Heinrici, and then brought him back only at the very last minute.

Besides screwing up in dozens of other ways.


83 posted on 02/17/2024 11:06:33 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: BobL
Well, they’re in the process of being Russian now!! Thanks to the IDIOCY of the Neocons.

Russian could not make Ukrainians into Russians in the 400 years that they occupied it under the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. What makes you think that they could do it now? This is why Russia will loose in the long run. Ukrainian nationalism will not again accept Russian rule.

And yes, the gall for the Ukrainians to think that they should defend themselves from a Russian invasion. What were they thinking? Stop blaming your boogeyman the Neocons. This is all the work of Putin. He thought he saw his chance to return Ukraine to Mother Russia under a weak Biden and he took.

84 posted on 02/17/2024 11:12:16 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: hardspunned

Hmm.
a. US artillery ammo might be sitting in Poland (some almost certainly is).
b. The high value stuff like GMLRS/GLSDB, Patriot, AMRAAM (for NASAMS), is normally flown in.
c. Much of it (artillery ammo), is probably in NATO stocks owned by, say Poland, and the Poles would be happy to ship theirs if they know backfill is definitely on the way.


85 posted on 02/17/2024 11:13:16 AM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: BobL

“Wrong, shut off the money and the weapons to Ukraine...”

“...and I will post about Russia as fit, such as when they pass laws to protect children from Grooming...”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The thing is Children are way safer in Ukraine than in Russia! Russia is in TIER 3 level when it comes to humantrafficking. Jesus Christ, it’s one of the world’s absolute WORST countries in that area. You must open your eyes.

Also:

“Russia’s War Has Created a Human Trafficking Crisis...”
A wave of rape, etc...
https://www.usip.org/publications/2022/06/russias-war-has-created-human-trafficking-crisis-says-un-envoy#SnippetTab

And now Putin’s allied government in Hungary drowning in a deep pedo-scandal!

“Child abuse scandal rattles Orban’s image as defender of ‘family values’”
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/17/europe/hungary-child-abuse-scandal-orban-family-values-europe-intl/index.html

Family values in Russia and Hungary?? Nah, not so much...


86 posted on 02/17/2024 11:18:09 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

Let’s take a look at your ‘sources’:

USIP: United States Institute of Peace, 2301 Constitution Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20037

CNN: (speaks for itself)

You might want to re-program your Bot if that’s the best you can do.

Also note that BOTH of your links are only AFTER the Neocon War in Ukraine started (in other words, when the little remaining objectivity of Western Media collapsed) - thus, I guess, there wasn’t a problem with child trafficking BEFORE the war (other than gay American couples snatching Russian babies).


87 posted on 02/17/2024 11:46:14 AM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: Petrosius

“Russian could not make Ukrainians into Russians in the 400 years that they occupied it under the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union.”

Correct, that’s why they’ll give Western Ukraine to Poland. They can have the PLEASURE of dealing with that Nazi-infested society.


88 posted on 02/17/2024 11:47:25 AM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: Reverend Wright
In WW II, a high degree of German military professionalism and considerable tactical and operational competence could not overcome gross strategic miscalculations and failures and a disparity of forces that eventually became disabling. In addition, although Germany produced some excellent weapons in WW II, due to her autocratic system, her overall production effort and military system were riddled with corruption, inefficiency, waste, and missed opportunities that often failed to meet even urgent combat needs.

Does this parallel Ukraine's circumstances against Russia? Not really. Russia's autocratic system today is closer to Nazi Germany or Mussolini's Italy than Ukraine's admittedly imperfect democracy.

89 posted on 02/17/2024 11:53:54 AM PST by Rockingham (`)
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To: Petrosius

“s for 2022, there was very little shelling, none of it directed at the civilian population. Please stop with the Russian propaganda. No one is buying it.”

Here’s your problem: FACTS!!!

“This Thursday, February 17, more than thirty towns in eastern Ukraine were shelled right before and after the meeting of the UN Security Council dedicated to the situation in Ukraine.”

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/shelling-resumes-donbas-notes-front-line

Note that the above is from a UKRAINE-supporting site.

As it is, now that Avdiivka is LIBERATED, Donetsk civilians are FINALLY safe from shelling.


90 posted on 02/17/2024 11:54:37 AM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: mac_truck

Nice picture! I thought you were younger but you’ve aged gracefully!


91 posted on 02/17/2024 12:02:43 PM PST by MeganC (Navalny Didn't Kill Himself)
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To: Reverend Wright

This started because Ukraine gave up their nukes in return for empty promises from Ruzzia about Ukrainian sovereignty.

The deal is off so Ukraine needs their nuclear arsenal again.


92 posted on 02/17/2024 12:04:41 PM PST by MeganC (Navalny Didn't Kill Himself)
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To: hardspunned

Stalingrad.


93 posted on 02/17/2024 12:07:49 PM PST by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you are filthy animal! )
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To: BobL
Here’s your problem: FACTS!!!

“This Thursday, February 17, more than thirty towns in eastern Ukraine were shelled right before and after the meeting of the UN Security Council dedicated to the situation in Ukraine.

Oh, you mean the shelling by Russian-backed separatists:

Shelling by Russian-backed separatists raises tensions in east Ukraine

94 posted on 02/17/2024 12:22:07 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: GBA
Today is the Sabbath day for many and I’m thinking about the spiritual side of this struggle. I’ve heard about generational blessings (and curses, too), where the blessings of the prayers of one generation are not always felt by that same generation, but are instead passed on like an inheritance to be received by a future generation.

First the Ukraine suffered the Holodomor, where there was mass starvation, including parents having to decide which of their children they would *eat*.

Then the Nazis attacked, and were hailed as *rescuers* by many of the Ukranians, after what the Commies had done to them.

Then Russia won on the German Eastern Front, and exacted horrible revenge upon those who had aided th Nazis.

Then the Soviet Union fell apart, and the panty-waist Ivy Leaguers in our State Department talked them into giving up their nukes in return for territorial guarantees.

After that, they got into all *kinds* of corruption -- Burisma, and Biden's "son of a bitch! he got fired".

And then this war.

I'm wondering what unspeakable curses are upon the Ukranians to have suffered like this for nearly a century.

95 posted on 02/17/2024 12:25:43 PM PST by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Petrosius

So we agree, lots of shelling going on back then. But, thankfully, it’s pretty much over now (totally over for Avdiivka and Donetsk).


96 posted on 02/17/2024 12:26:09 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: Rockingham

“...a disparity of forces that eventually became disabling. In addition, although Germany produced some excellent weapons in WW II, due to her autocratic system, her overall production effort and military system were riddled with corruption, inefficiency, waste, ...”


Lower number of troops, and small numbers of expensive, high quality weapons sounds like Ukraine...


97 posted on 02/17/2024 12:35:13 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Petrosius

Correct. Life carries more or as normal in Donetsk. The same can’t be said of Ukrainian cities genocidally erased by invading Russian Nazis. Sad to see some broken and defeated souls still fetishizing Putin’s Russia. Perhaps we should just put their willful ignorance down to simple stupidity?


98 posted on 02/17/2024 12:39:59 PM PST by lodi90
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To: BobL

There would not have been any shelling at all if not for Russia’s 2014 invasion. Don’t blame the “Neocons”; blame Putin.


99 posted on 02/17/2024 12:59:39 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

“There would not have been any shelling at all if not for Russia’s 2014 invasion. Don’t blame the “Neocons”; blame Putin.”

If it wasn’t for the Neocons and their friends TELLING the world what their REAL PLANS were regarding Russia, your feeble attempts at deception might have a better chance here, but sadly (for you) the Internet NEVER FORGETS.

“Former German Chancellor Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-up”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/22/ffci-d22.html

Perhaps try your luck on Reddit, I hear they’re not too bright there.


100 posted on 02/17/2024 1:13:30 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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