“The 8th amendment ban on excessive fines has been incorporated against the states. A $300 million dollar fine when there is no victim is unconstitutional.”
Is there any authority applying this to civil cases, as opposed to criminal? Also, when you get to this argument, you’re conceding that there “non-excessive” fine is acceptable.
“He should go straight to SCOTUS for relief.”
It doesn’t work that way. He’ll have to appeal to the First Department, then to the New York Court of Appeals, then request that the US Supreme Court take the matter if a constitutional argument can be made.
The 8th amendment is written pretty broadly. It is not specific to the nature of the crime like the 6th and 7th amendments.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.The term "fines" suggests civil penalties.
Furthermore, the 8th amendment has been incorporated into the states in Timbs v. Indiana which involved an asset forfeiture (a Land Rover) after Timbs was found guilty of a non-felony drug charge.
Further to your question, does the 5th amendment protection against double jeopardy or self-incrimination only apply to criminal cases or do they apply to civil cases as well? If the 5th amendment applies to both types of cases, then why wouldn't the 8th amendment also apply to both types of cases?
It doesn’t work that way. He’ll have to appeal to the First Department, then to the New York Court of Appeals
Except that part of the problem is that the excessive fine was designed to deny President Trump of his right to appeal. Engeron also banned Trump from doing business in New York, which means that Trump cannot go to New York banks to negotiate the collateral to put up a $350 million bond in order to appeal.
Therefore, he must appeal to SCOTUS that his 14th amendment rights to due process and equal protection are being violated by this ruling. He's in a "Catch-22" in that he must post an excessive bond in order to appeal, he cannot find banks with sufficient assets to secure that bond, and he shouldn't be forced to liquidate assets just to be able to appeal an excessive fine.
Hence, SCOTUS is the only avenue for Trump to appeal his due process rights.
-PJ