Posted on 02/05/2024 7:48:49 AM PST by Heartlander
This is a bit off.
1848 was when a lot of communist inspired revolutions took hold and gave us the world we have today.
The elites want us to pay not them.
Carbon Taxes In Any Way Shape Or Form Exemplify That.
A good point but somewhat an overstatement. Socialist (not communist) elements were viewed as anti-oligarch and anti-monarchal but the anarchist ingredient was there as well. In response to this movement, in a big hurry, Marx and Engles wrote their flawed formula as to how socialism count be paid for — communism.
All in all the idea of re-examining many of the events around 1848 is a good idea. Here in the US our high school history ignores it.
Maybe. My impression was that the movements were primarily nationalist groups trying to get out from under the thumb of the empires, primarily Prussian and Austro-Hungarian; the Marxists saw the crisis as a terrible thing to waste, and attempted to glom on to the various revolutions, sometimes with success and sometimes not. The Franco-Prussian War 20 years later let enough steam out of the pressure cooker, but it eventually burst open with WWI, and that is when nationalism gets subsumed by socialism, first in Russia, then in Germany, then pretty much everywhere else in Europe.
I teach eight week college courses in music appreciation for non-majors, and I spend a whole week on how nationalism in music takes hold, beginning with Moniuzko and Chopin in Poland, and spreading throughout Europe. The students become interested in the variations in music based on the nationalist movements; practically none of them know about the revolutions of 1848 that begets a lot of this.
The saying “We did not see the red flag” comes from this era. Which means, mixed in with the Republican protestors of 1848 were a bunch of worthless commies waving red flags. They behave this way today; sneaking in the back door.
It’s like 1848 in that people in various countries revolted against their elites. Doesn’t matter that the elites are different today.
You need subsidiary political organizations (like the states) or you need members of the elite to go renegade to form new parties or coopt old ones.
That's why billionaires like Trump and Musk are so feared and hated by other elites: they are the most potent threats to the corrupt oligarchs ruling us.
“the people obtained rights”
How do you obtain something that’s already yours?
You can secure your rights, defend your rights, and have your rights infringed but they are always and forever your rights.
If there is one thing I have learned in my long life it’s that history is meaningless. There are always a good supply of dumb people to repeat the worse nightmares from the past.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. “
Yeah, agree. But you can’t disagree with the number of upheavals/populist movements against the elites going on right now. That is a good sign.
It always scares me to remember mau, Mussolini, Hitler all came to power within a generation of each other.
That couldn’t happen organically.
I just want to add that on the whole, I think the article had a lot of worthwhile historical information.
A series of black swan events. These are unpredicted and apparently unrelated events that seem to occur spontaneously and have disproportionate effect on the balance of order, from local effects to worldwide.
Marx wrote extensively on the 1848 revolutions in Europe. The chaos inspired lots of emigration from Europe to the US, and some brought their Saint-Simon and utopian socialism with them. Lots of Germans especially went to Texas.
And two years later my ancestors skedaddled.
Mine skedaddled from Prussian-Occupied Poland.
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