Supreme Court may look back to the CIVIL WAR over 150 years ago to decide whether Donald Trump can be on the ballot for 2024 general election

Daiy Mail ^ | 2/4/2024

[BlackFemaleArmyColonel]

Donald Trump's attempt to be reinstated on the ballot in Colorado could hinge on interpretations of the Constitution made in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, legal experts believe.

Trump was declared ineligible to appear on the Colorado ballot on December 19.

The decision marked the first time in history that Section 3 of the 14th Amendment has been used to disqualify a presidential candidate, and the U.S. Supreme Court on January 5 agreed to hear Trump's appeal against the Colorado Supreme Court's decision.

Oral arguments are set to be heard on February 8.

Lawyers for both sides will reference arguments made 150 years ago by Salmon Chase, a member of Abraham Lincoln's Cabinet who Lincoln appointed to the Supreme Court in 1864.

[joesbucks]

I’m simply pointing out that word is missing and is an anomaly to most things legal. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[joesbucks]

As for removal, I’ve never reported anyone despite many instances of forum rule breaking. And you already tried that once. Maybe twice. But go ahead and tell on me.

[joesbucks]

Agreed. Although I was just torn up by another person for even suggesting/bringing up what I consider a legal anomaly.

[Rlsau1]

The Deep State doesn’t hate Trump, they fear him.

[MrRelevant]

Maybe it would be best if they looked at Trumps own words and actions on Jan 6th? An Occam’s razor type of thingy.

[CodeToad]

1. The 14th Amendment never applied to the President.
2. The 1872 and 1898 laws removed the disabilities of Section 3.

14th Amendment, Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disabilities.

1872 Amnesty Act, repealing the 14th Amendment section 3: "Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each house concurring therein), that all political disabilities imposed by the third section of the fourteenth article of amendments of the Constitution of the United States are hereby removed from all persons whomsoever, except Senators and Representatives of the thirty-sixth and thirty-seventh Congresses, officers in the judicial, military, and naval service of the United States, heads of departments, and foreign ministers of the United States."

On June 6th, 1898, Chapter 389, Congress : “Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of The United States in Congress assembled, That the disability imposed by section three of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States heretofore incurred is hereby removed.”

Don't forget, a law degree is a liberal arts degree. Lawyers are morons. These government employees acted as political activists and not court judges; court jesters, but not judges.

[Albion Wilde]

The DM can’t tell a girl from a boy, it renders this story clickbait.

You're aware that more than one person writes for the DM, correct? And that they have reporters here in the U.S. as well as the rest of the Five Eyes? Agreed that they often slant; but if you keep reading over time, often they veer in the other direction re the U.S., because of how U.S. policy predictions will affect their conditions, which differ from ours. The comments are also very worth considering on vital topics, since the common folk often differ sharply from the opinions in the articles, sometimes enough to sway future reportage.

The entire publication leans more towards clickbait than serious policy analysis; but once you accept that, you can enjoy DM for its other features, such as detailed photography and the lively comments to the articles—sometimes a joint effort along with the witty British to ridicule the media's indoctrinations-du-jour in either country.

[Albion Wilde]

I personally believe if we can join the union voluntarily then we can leave it voluntarily in spite of decisions of 150+ years ago. It is a basic principle in our constitution. Freedom of association. It really is that simple. We are not slaves to the FedGov. We do not lose that basic principle of association.

I agree in principle; and if we had, the nation would have divided in two during that time, and we might not be having division spread all over the country as we have now; but one never knows. The vast majority of enslaved people lived in the south. Would they still have migrated across the country for work? Would the south have been in a position to deport most of the population to Liberia? Would the black population instead have formed their own state within the south, and be treated like the Cherokee reservation? What would have happened to the south once the Industrial Revolution soon to arrive would have removed most of the incentive for oppressed labor? We shall never know.

If we do fracture into several nations, it's worth considering that it is possible. Check this meme:

[dfwgator]

"So long Lone Start State! You are but tiny star set against the vast colossal sky of Mother Russia!"

[jeffersondem]

“I agree with Brewer. So why did you advocate a “living document” approach?”

I didn’t.

The contention that the purpose of the ill-compounded and hastily adopted 14th amendment was for the purpose of homosexual marriage was a laugh line.

I thought that would be understood. Sorry I created confusion.

[ro_dreaming]

Trump has never been charged with “insurrection” in court. Just in the liberal press.

[ro_dreaming]

But the deep state hates what they fear.

[ro_dreaming]

Even if they weren't removed, the office of President of the United States is not listed in this list of people to whom article 3 did apply:


14th Amendment, Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

[Verginius Rufus]

Interesting map, but dated—fails to show Montenegro as an independent nation.

[Fury]

Re:42 - my suggestion is to ignore that poster.

[Buckeye Battle Cry]

ACB and CJ Roberts will plunge their knives into our backs yet again.

[CodeToad]

The liberals think the phrase “officer of the United States” is the president. They do not understand he is not an officer.

[Lazamataz]

As for removal, I’ve never reported anyone despite many instances of forum rule breaking. And you already tried that once. Maybe twice. But go ahead and tell on me.

Ok. Grant me a little time to build my case that you don't belong here. Then I will present it to the powers that be.

Toodles.

[kiryandil]

Furiously lane-jumping and hall monitoring again, eh, Fury?

[Albion Wilde]

LOL! But the pink shape is Australia, much of which is uninhabitable wasteland, as is much of Russia.

Texas has vast uninhabited rangeland, but most of it has owners. Trouble is, it's potentially habitable, and vulnerable to invader usurpation for housing, in contrast to the empty lands of Russia and Australia. Good thing it's surrounded by Texans with guns.

Population density of Texas: 103 people per sq. mile.

Population density of Russia: 8.4 per sq. kilometer (22 people per sq. mile).

Population density of Australia: 3.45 per sq. km. (approx. 10 per sq. mile).