Nikki Haley walks back comment that Texas can secede from US

CNN ^ | Feb 4, 2024 | Ebony Davis

[McGruff]

Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley on Sunday walked back her previous comment that Texas could secede from the US if it decided to do so.

“No. According to the Constitution, they can’t,” Haley told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union” when asked whether she thought the Lone Star State had a right to secede.

“What I do think they have the right to do is have the power to protect themselves and do all that. Texas has talked about seceding for a long time. The Constitution doesn’t allow for that,” she said. “But what I will say is … Where’s that coming from? That’s coming from the fact that people don’t think that government is listening to them.”

Her comments mark a turnaround from remarks she made last week, when Haley told radio host Charlemagne tha God that “if Texas decides they want to do that, they can do that.”

[takebackaustin]

Why do you say “Congress ruled” ? It was a US Supreme Court ruling.

But thanks for pointing to it. Its words echo Lincoln’s last speech’s casuistry and ignore that Texas joined as an independent sovereign nation.

[jmacusa]

Yes. My mistake.
The document does not mention secession . How ever the 14th. Amendment is sourced as a reference for denying secession.

[central_va]

Wromg. The 10 million people now paying SS in Texas to the USA will be paying the COUNTRY of Texas instead. You are only looking at the demand side of the issue.

[montanajoe]

Well it remains to be seen if Texans will like being taxed to pay for the benefits..adding a billion a year to what Texas has to pay out might not be something I’m guessing most folks there would be enthusiastic about lol

[central_va]

No LOL. Again you only look at the demand side. Becoming an independed republic doesn’t mean you no longer pay taxes. It means the COUNTRY of Texas can manage Texa’s SS income in a sane manor.

[montanajoe]

I love Texas but I won’t be moving there as it will be Taxes...rather than Texas

[cowboyusa]

Article 1 Sectuon 10. Clause 4.

[cowboyusa]

Wrong.

[bert]

Texas can legitimately resign from the union, unlike California that just resigned with no legality at all

[cowboyusa]

THESE ARE WORDS PRESIDENT TRUMP WOULD NEVET DAY, BECAUSE TRUMP LIKE HIS HERO ANDREW JACKSON IS A NATIONALIST.

[cowboyusa]

Lincoln was a bumbler. The Conf3deracy was lucky not to face Jackson or Polk.

[cowboyusa]

The Union is older than the Constitution. It was formed on July. 4th, 1776. The Articles of Confederation made the Union Perpetual. The Constitution forbade Secession I’m Article 1, section 10. Clause 4. Jackson would have finished what he started in 1832.

[cowboyusa]

The Confederate Constitution had a Clause banning Sucession. What was good for the goose wasn’t good for the gander.

[Verginius Rufus]

While the New York convention in 1788 was debating whether to ratify the Constitution, James Madison wrote to a friend in New York that once the decision had been made to ratify, they couldn't change their minds (there was talk of that if no Bill of Rights was added). But that was Madison's personal opinion--and he had been one of the architects of the document that many thought gave too much power to the central government.

I read once that in the very first week of the First Congress, a representative from South Carolina threatened that his state would secede. So much for the understanding of the issue when the Constitution was first adopted.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Secession was decided in 1861-1865, Then the SCOTUS decision of Texas vs White in 1869.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Texas-v-White

[central_va]

Secession was decided in 1861-1865

Nope.

[Verginius Rufus]

Might makes right, as the Athenians showed the Melians in 415 B.C. and as Saddam Hussein showed the Kuwaitis in 1990.

The Civil War demonstrated that the Tenth Amendment was a dead letter. The last five years have shown that most of the protections of the other amendments are dead letters as well.

[DiogenesLamp]

Lincoln is good at citing documents which contradict his position.

"It was matured and continued by the Declaration of Independence in 1776."

The Declaration of Independence asserts an inviolable right to independence for any people (state) that wants it.

It declares it a right given by God, and that people can "abolish" their government, and form one which suits them better.

The Declaration of Independence utterly contradicts the idea that the "Union" is perpetual. It cannot be "perpetual" when every state has a right to leave if it so wishes.

[DiogenesLamp]

the biggest mistake the original states made was not specifically stating the process for a state to leave the union.

You mean 11 years after they wrote how the process works in the *DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE* they forgot about the process?

Why would anyone need to write anything further on the topic when everything needing to be said was said in 1776?

[DiogenesLamp]

Second, As mentioned in the above article, a treaty was signed by the US senate with the Republic of Texas, that allows Texas to leave the Union. I will post that here when I find a link to the Treaty.

If you google, you will find a lot of recent lib posts on how Texas cannot do this or that, and it’s like every other state. But it’s not, it entered as it’s own country NOT a territory or possession of the US.

Good post. I very much look forward to you providing any further information on this topic.