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Nikki Haley walks back comment that Texas can secede from US
CNN ^ | Feb 4, 2024 | Ebony Davis

Posted on 02/04/2024 5:01:26 PM PST by McGruff

Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley on Sunday walked back her previous comment that Texas could secede from the US if it decided to do so.

“No. According to the Constitution, they can’t,” Haley told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union” when asked whether she thought the Lone Star State had a right to secede.

“What I do think they have the right to do is have the power to protect themselves and do all that. Texas has talked about seceding for a long time. The Constitution doesn’t allow for that,” she said. “But what I will say is … Where’s that coming from? That’s coming from the fact that people don’t think that government is listening to them.”

Her comments mark a turnaround from remarks she made last week, when Haley told radio host Charlemagne tha God that “if Texas decides they want to do that, they can do that.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; birdbrain; haley; nikkihaley; nimarata; texas; trickynikki
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To: Secret Agent Man
I think states can secede.

I also think (and know from past experience) the country can try to prevent it if it decides to.

The civil war showed both of my statements to be true.

The outcome, however isn’t automatically that they cannot. If the seceding side can win, they can and will secede.

Your argument boils down to "might makes right."

Yes, people with power can defeat those who have lesser power. The actual issue is whether or not states had a legal right to secede, and/or a moral right to secede.

And the evidence with which I am familiar is that "Yes", states had a right to secede. The government had no right to stop them.

101 posted on 02/05/2024 11:01:40 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

They could just use the terminology of the original declaration of independence.

“...—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government...”


102 posted on 02/05/2024 11:02:34 AM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare)
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To: FirstFlaBn
Lincoln wordsmiths his way around what he is really saying: the federal government created the states. His sleight of hand is revealing of a slick tongued politician’s ambition, not a principle.

You study him long enough, you realize he is a flim/flam con man manipulator of people, and it is this skill set which made him such a good lawyer, and also such a good politician.

He proved the anti-thesis of his own adage.

You *CAN* fool all of the people, all of the time. (Or at least so many of them as to make no difference.)

103 posted on 02/05/2024 11:03:47 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Retain Mike
Session is not mentioned in the Constitution. James Madison maintained to his dying day any state could peacefully secede. He also maintained any attempt by the federal government to use military force to prevent session would be an invasion and not within the power of a federal government.

I am not familiar with these statements by Madison. I am only familiar with two statements by him (40 years apart) that states could *NOT* secede.

If you have a source for these statements by Madison, I would be very interested in seeing it.

104 posted on 02/05/2024 11:06:16 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DesertRhino
Also, if Texas and other states did not legally leave the union, then why did they all have to go through a re-admission process in 1867?

If your divorce carried no legal weight, you don’t need to remarry.

All through the civil war, Lincoln's position was that states could not leave the Union. *AFTER* the civil war, they wanted to deny them the civil rights they held under the Constitution, so they then flipped the claim that they *left* the Union, and were therefore no longer subject to the protection of constitutional rights.

This is how they illegally stole their slaves, and denied the people the right to vote, which allowed the occupying military forces to create Vichy puppet governments in all the Southern states.

They didn't care about legality, or morality, they fought that war to stop the South from wrecking the wealth of the powerful Northeastern men who ran the country. They didn't care what the law was, they wanted to secure their own power, so they broke the South so it could never threaten their wealth again.

105 posted on 02/05/2024 11:12:09 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DesertRhino
I’m glad Lincoln saved the Union, but he offered nothing of legalities in that speech, merely sophistry and emotions.

That's Lincoln. If you read his Gettysburg address seriously, you realize it flips everything around and makes the bad guys into the good guys and vice versa.

H.L. Mencken did an excellent essay on the topic in which he points out all the flim-flamery.

106 posted on 02/05/2024 11:14:20 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: central_va
Don’t you think the COUNTRY of Texes would make good on Social security? Hell yes and do it better.

I think a lot of the states around Texas would go with it too. It would be more than just Texas.

107 posted on 02/05/2024 11:20:15 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa
But in 1869 in Texas v. White Congress ruled the Confederacy had acted unconstitutionally.

And the Federal courts are keeping the J6rs in prison.

Court declarations are meaningless in terms of truth, and only matter because they have power, not because they are correct.

108 posted on 02/05/2024 11:22:54 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa
The document does not mention secession . How ever the 14th. Amendment is sourced as a reference for denying secession.

And to make things clear, this "Amendment" was passed while military forces occupied those states, denying the actual citizens of the state the right to vote, thereby resulting in Vichy Puppet governments completely controlled by the corrupt regime in Washington DC, passing fake laws and fake amendments against the consent of the people in who's name they were passing them.

Every government act during this period should be regarded as null and void.

109 posted on 02/05/2024 11:26:52 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: cowboyusa
The Confederate Constitution had a Clause banning Sucession.

Point it out please.

110 posted on 02/05/2024 11:28:16 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Verginius Rufus
While the New York convention in 1788 was debating whether to ratify the Constitution, James Madison wrote to a friend in New York that once the decision had been made to ratify, they couldn't change their minds (there was talk of that if no Bill of Rights was added). But that was Madison's personal opinion--and he had been one of the architects of the document that many thought gave too much power to the central government.

Funny thing was, Madison was on the committee that drafted Virginia's ratification statement, which clearly says Virginia can resume the powers it gave up to the Federal government.

It literally says Virginia can take back it's powers, so it looks like Madison is on both sides of the issue.

I read once that in the very first week of the First Congress, a representative from South Carolina threatened that his state would secede. So much for the understanding of the issue when the Constitution was first adopted.

The New England states made the claim that they could secede during the Hartford convention in 1814.

111 posted on 02/05/2024 11:31:14 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Mr. K
They could just use the terminology of the original declaration of independence.

“...—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government...”

Exactly. That is the thesis statement of the entire document.

112 posted on 02/05/2024 11:33:43 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: McGruff

I thought the Republic of Texas had a different ability than other states when they agreed to enter the union.


113 posted on 02/05/2024 11:48:17 AM PST by Fledermaus (Is it me, or all of a sudden have the buried trolls come out on FR like cicadas? It's all noise.)
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To: jeffersondem

The original 13 colonies didn’t join separately with 13 treaties.

Texas signed a treaty as he pointed out.


114 posted on 02/05/2024 11:50:53 AM PST by Fledermaus (Is it me, or all of a sudden have the buried trolls come out on FR like cicadas? It's all noise.)
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To: BereanBrain

Thank you.


115 posted on 02/05/2024 11:51:10 AM PST by Fledermaus (Is it me, or all of a sudden have the buried trolls come out on FR like cicadas? It's all noise.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Article 1. Section 10. Clause 2.


116 posted on 02/05/2024 11:52:17 AM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEFTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: montanajoe

And all the Social Security taxes from TX will stop going to DC.


117 posted on 02/05/2024 11:54:36 AM PST by Fledermaus (Is it me, or all of a sudden have the buried trolls come out on FR like cicadas? It's all noise.)
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To: cowboyusa
Article 1. Section 10. Clause 2.

I actually don't have a copy of the confederate constitution handy. Could you post the actual verbiage so we can see what it says?

Not that it matters to the discussion, the *US* constitution does not prohibit secession, and even if the Confederate constitution did, it's still overridden by the natural law right of states to be independent if they wish.

118 posted on 02/05/2024 11:54:38 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: McGruff

“No. According to the Constitution, they can’t,” Haley told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union” when asked whether she thought the Lone Star State had a right to secede.

She’s wrong. We joined (every state did so, in fact), voluntarily. We can leave the same way.


119 posted on 02/05/2024 12:23:17 PM PST by ro_dreaming (Who knew "Idiocracy", "1984", "Enemy of the State", and "Person of Interest" would be non-fiction?)
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To: McGruff

Taking over the flip-flops previously worn by McCain, I see.


120 posted on 02/05/2024 12:24:31 PM PST by CFW (I will not comply!)
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