Posted on 01/27/2024 2:49:08 PM PST by Eleutheria5
“You implied it by extension.
I didn’t imply any such thing.”
I beg to differ. You are sadly deficient if you don’t see the implication of your own words.
“You are simply rude and insulting. “
“You’re a syncophant of the Hamas butchers, and trying to sugarcoat the muslims in Gaza.”
Pot. Kettle.
“I have a German ancestry. Are you insinuating that Germans are the same as muslim Arabs?”
Islam wants other peoples to submit to Islam. Do you think Germans want others to submit to them. BS.
I am not insinuating anything about present-day Germans. I am saying that Nazi Germans in that time were the same as present-day Islamic extremists, be they Arabs, Iranians, Pakistani, Sudanese or Indonesian. Instead of racial superiority, they ascribe to religious superiority, which might have been alright if they didn’t believe, as the Nazis did, that their supposed superiority gives them license to mass murder, enslave and subjugate.
“You gloss over what really happened prior and during WWII, saying Germans and Japanese had delusions of racial superiority. Not so.”
Yawn. Go read a history book.
“The German leadership under Hitler rallied troops who felt humiliated by the outcome of WWI. “
And therefore, as people who feel humiliated and frustrated will do, grasped onto an ideology that gave them a sense of purpose into which they can lose their individuality and sacrifice everything for the sake of a mythical tomorrow. In the case of the Nazis, this was the theory of genetic superiority. They were Nieztche’s “ubermenschen” who must eliminate and/or enslave the “untermenschen,” i.e., the Jews, Gypsies, Slavs and negroes to whom they were supposedly racially superior.
The catalyst for this mass movement was the humiliation following WW II and hyperinflation, and the humiliating French looting of the Ruhr Valley coal mines, and heavy unemployment, etc. Read Eric Hoffer’s True Believer for an explanation of this phenomenon. It’s short, illuminating, and brilliant.
“The Japanese military leaders likewise wanted retribution against Chinese for past Chinese military campaigns and Chinese delusions of racial superiority against Japan.”
LOL. China last attempted to invade Japan during the reign of Kublah Khan. That military campaign? They never managed to pull it off due to the Kami Kaze, or holy wind. “Retribution” For that?
“European and Asian peoples have had many battles between neighbors for thousands of years.”
You’re comparing the Napoleonic wars and the 100-years war to the Blitzkrieg, the Holocaust, and the Rape of Nanking. Good luck with that.
“You can’t appease Muslim Arabs and expect them to embrace Israelis as friends. Naive, will not happen.”
Jews and Muslims have a relationship spanning a millennium and a half. Jews and Arabs developed simultaneously, and their relationship pre-dates Mad Mo and his marauders by millennia. These are complicated relationships. Pontificate all you want, but you don’t know a damned thing about Jews, Arabs, or Muslims.
“You can’t appease Muslim Arabs and expect them to embrace Israelis as friends. Naive, will not happen.”
“Appease”? I am talking about DEFEATING them, not appeasing them, and then using that defeat as leverage to de-IslamoNazi-fy them. I do have Arab friends from when I lived in Judah and Samaria. Now that I live in the Galilee, I note that Jews and Arabs live together here in more-or-less harmony, interacting positively on the streets and in the supermarkets.
Do not believe the BS MSM version of reality. Real news is a daily happening, and doesn’t occur on TV, in which they only notice Israel when somebody gets killed or maimed.
Here’s some history that might interest you if you’re too lazy to read a book. Even if you do read, these are worth listening to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3sxYKnx_kM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiAR4O7fl-E&t=973s
“The catalyst for this mass movement was the humiliation following WW II” should be “WW I”. Typo.
Another good book I recommend is A Moment in Peking by Lin Yutang, about the years between the Boxer Rebellion until and including the onset of war with Japan.
It’s a novelization, but a very good one by a great philosopher and thinker.
True. Somehow I’ll just have to live down the shame./sarc
I’m done with you. I have read plenty of books, and it’s crazy that you continue to throw out insults. You are rude. I only responded in kind after your first post to me. Go reread it.
“The catalyst for this mass movement was the humiliation following WW II”. I stated WWI. What, you don’t make mistakes?
My father played an instrumental role as part of the U.S. occupation forces in Japan, an officer responsible for the needs of thousands of Japanese immediately after WWII. Even correspondence with MacArthur. He was there for 4 years, and did not sense any animosity by Japanese towards him. The Japanese did not exhibit racial superiority, or a license to mass murder and enslavement. Contrast that to muslim Arabs in Gaza who celebrated with glee at the enslavement and torture of Israeli victims. What, you didn’t hear about that? They want you to die!
As for Japan/China conflicts, Chinese repeatedly had conflicts and mistreated Japanese. They would kidnap Japanese women, tie them outside their boats while attacking Japanese. Innocent Japanese women, tortured by Chinese. You think that doesn’t deserve retribution? The animosity goes back hundreds of years.
Read a book yourself.
“As for Japan/China conflicts, Chinese repeatedly had conflicts and mistreated Japanese. They would kidnap Japanese women, tie them outside their boats while attacking Japanese. Innocent Japanese women, tortured by Chinese. You think that doesn’t deserve retribution? The animosity goes back hundreds of years.”
I have. About Japan and about China. No mention of any of this.
“Read a book yourself.”
OK. Get me started. Give me your source for that assertion.
“The catalyst for this mass movement was the humiliation following WW II”. I stated WWI. What, you don’t make mistakes?
I self-corrected that mistake in the very next post. What? You don’t admit mistakes?
“My father played an instrumental role as part of the U.S. occupation forces in Japan, an officer responsible for the needs of thousands of Japanese immediately after WWII. “
That’s funny. I was speaking of Germany after WW I, and the rise of Nazism.
“The Japanese did not exhibit racial superiority, or a license to mass murder and enslavement. “
You’ve just proven my point. During WW II, they were exhibiting the same racial superiority complex that the Germans did. They used Chinese civilians tied to stakes for bayonete practice and to have fun with samurai swords. They committed mass murder and rape, and did evil experiments on civilians in Manchuria. After WW II, when your father was stationed there, they were defeated and ordered by their Emperor to lay down their arms and surrender. Total defeat caused a paradigm shift, exactly as I said.
After WW I, Germany was defeated and humiliated, and impoverished by hyperinflation. They turned to mustache boy, who reassured them that Germany was not defeated by “stabbed in the back” by the Joooos! and the communists, too, but to Hitler that was just repeating himself. With a convenient scapegoat, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion taken as documentary proof, with a dash of Nietzsche and Chamberlain (the philosopher, not that statesman), and Eugenics taken to the extreme, the paradigm shift from civilized, cultured Germans to virulent Nazi mass murderers was established. After WW II, with Germany in ruins and disgraced by the genocidal mass murder that Hitler and his cronies implemented, they were ready for another paradigm shift, because the last one did not work and was their ruination.
Even so, it took many years. The former Hitler Youth organized into the Werwolven and attempted terrorism. Oskar Schindler died in poverty because his heroic efforts to save lives for fun and profit made him into a traitor in the eyes of the unrepentant anti-Semites/Nazis still around. So they persecuted him. Also, he was a drunken womanizer and his wife left him.
“Contrast that to muslim Arabs in Gaza who celebrated with glee at the enslavement and torture of Israeli victims. What, you didn’t hear about that? They want you to die!”
No sh!t, Sherlock. And my remedy for that attitude problem is the remedy that ultimately worked in Germany and Japan: 1. Defeat them totally and unequivocally. 2. Re-settle the Philadelphi Corridor (Gush Katif) with the original settlers whom Sharon forcibly evicted, and any other brave souls who are willing. 3. Throw out their hateful school textbooks and give the kids a normal education. 4. Encourage any Palis who are not okay with all this to emigrate, preferably to South America, where the other Nazi criminals went after they lost the war. Interact cautiously with the Palis. Give them jobs, do business with them. By cautiously I mean with the same security gates and documentation requirements that Palis in Judah and Samariah go through to work in Jewish areas. Help them in other ways, albeit cautiously.
You have mischaracterized these proposals as “appeasing” and “sycophancy,” and therefore, you deserve any of the supposed “insults” that I have directed at you.
I could tell you some stories of my experiences in Gush Etzion. But honestly, I’m relieved that you are through with me, because your inability to understand context and chronology is getting on my nerves.
ST Coleridge said in Biographia Literaria (another good book that I recommend) that “if you do not understand a man’s ignorance, presume yourself ignorant of his understanding.” In your case, I am not sure if your glaring errors are ignorance, studious efforts to mis-understand, or just plain stupidity. But the common denominator of all three possibilities is a complete lack of understanding, which I have illustrated to my satisfaction, and perhaps others’ satisfaction as well.
I appreciate your concern for the welfare of Israelis here, but quite frankly, we know what we were getting into, and right now the goings on in America and Europe are much more alarming. Get your own country in order.
Arabs and Jews have lived together, sometimes acrimoniously and sometimes harmoniously, for four millennia. We are cousins, in fact. The harmony is hard to come by, but actually an accomplished fact in much of Israel, as I know from my own experience. So thanks for the advice. I’m sure it was well meant. But we’ve got this.
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