Posted on 01/27/2024 11:01:54 AM PST by DallasBiff
"James Kirk"? That sounds Scottish, but even if he were German-American he'd still be 100% American.
The Federation is the UN, just look at the flag.
Sure, but Kirk was definitely American. US liberals back then assumed that the UN was on our side and we were the natural leaders. Of course, the earth being unified, Russians and Chinese would be on the same side as Kirk, but Roddenbury could us aspects of them to create the foreign rivals of the Federation.
The format is western but it is NOT a cold war drama. It’s biggest message is that we can move past all of that.
Well, the earth does, and that's part of the message, but Roddenbury was too much a part of his time to be wholly unaffected by Cold War thinking.
But Kirk isn’t. 20 odd years after the end WWII Gene Roddenberry very deliberately included a Japanese character and a character with a German name. There’s a message there about putting the war behind us and learning to live together as one, as humans, not nationalities or races. And when Takei wasn’t available he swapped our Sulu for a Russian, thus making the same commentary about the cold war. Gene actually talked about a lot of this stuff 8n various interviews. It’s not whack job, it’s the message was trying to get across.
Except he wasn’t 100% American. He was just a white guy.
And no this was post Korea and quagmire Vietnam, plenty of people didn’t think the UN was on our side, or that we were natural leaders. Remember in Trek the eugenics wars had happened, an near apocalypse that left a lot of earth a wasteland. It was very much POST America.
Oh he was effected all right. He thought it was stupid and if we didn’t get past the cold war we’d blow up the damn world. It wasn’t about the cold war, it was about what we could accomplish if we ended the cold war.
Maybe you are thinking of Cpt. Kirche?
Except in ‘Patterns of Force’, the second in command, Melakon, grabbed a machine gun and shot Gill, then one of the rebels shot Melakon. At that point, someone else said it was time to end the killing.
So, who is our ‘Melakon’?
And who are the rebels who end him (them)?
Like I said-go check out some of the interviews both of those women did after Roddenberry’s death-especially what they say about the way he treated them both like property, and how much they quietly resented it.
Yes, the casting couch was assumed-it still is, except thanks to guys like Bill Clinton and other politicians we know that the couch is used by men in all positions-pun intended-of money and power-nothing much has changed. And the woman still expects a specific reward-in the case of an actress, she wants an important role/top billing-which was what Nichelle got by giving it up to the horndog producer/writer of that series-she played the game to get what she wanted. And yes, affairs like that sold magazines in that pre-internet era-like now, the more well known and wealthy the guy the more interest there was in all the nasty, delicious details-which is why it was worth a lot of money or favors from the guy to the woman to keep her shut up.
Roddenberry dying at 70 was an outlier-since his death was brought on by years of using/abusing cocaine and methamphetamine-and downers-it ruins your heart and strokes you out-like what happens to rock stars. He would have not had any concept of “woke”-but he would have wanted to please the PC du jour-equal opportunity for races ala equal employment, etc and equality for women because of the womens’ lib stuff-as long as he did that and got in good with the equal employment faction, the rest was about the money and fame-he did not seem to be altruistic.
Stupid stuff, but it wasn’t due to any woke ideology-that ridiculous s*** didn’t even exist until antifa and other extreme groups like the believe all women, blah, blah.
Right, but again it was the 1960s. Nobody cared. They had nothing on him. They couldn’t ruin him. That’s not why he cast Nicole. Unless you’re saying he was also having an affair with Takei. Cause George got cast for the same reason. Gene WANTED diversity.
He wouldn’t have called it woke back then. It would have just been liberalism. The civil rights movement was going on. Gene comprehended what is now called representation. And wanted to show a humanity that had gotten last all this petty stuff. It was ABSOLUTELY due to woke ideology.
Again, he put it right in the show. Really guys. IDIC. It’s right.
Infinite
Diversity in
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The whole freaking show was woke. And anybody that doesn’t get that is stupid.
There you go again. Insisting you’re right while not trying to bring any facts. Because you don’t any. Same to you as the other guy: IDIC
That IS the woke ideology right there. Woke stole if from Gene. If you didn’t get that then you weren’t actually a Trek fan. And if you still don’t get it you aren’t actually intelligent.
The Star trek TOS crew were professional and competant, TNG on the other hand, I will never understand Picard's fascination with a bitter bartender, Guinon(Whoopi Goldberg), Kirk at least fell for a dancing green woman(Yvonne Craig).
Star Trek TNG was when it got woke.
The Star Trek TOS crew was DELIBERATELY diverse. Casting Barrett as 2nd in command was deliberate act of diverse casting. And when that version got rejected Gene went MORE diverse. Woke from day ONE.
You will never get it in your whacked brain, the TOS crew were competant, and yes they may have had their faults, like every human does, but even in trying times, they got the job done, it was good entertainment.
You will never get in your denial brain THAT WAS THE POINT.
Really Gene talked about this many many times in various interviews. Especially when he had to do a second stab at the pilot. He deliberately built the cast of characters to address all the social-political issues of the time, and show a world where we’d moved past all of them and simply accepted people for their accomplishments and weren’t worried about gender, or color, or previous wars, or current wars. A humanity ruled by our better angels. That was the whole goal. He said it himself.
I don't know Stu, I'm surmising you were a writer that got rejected by Gene Roddenberry, and now you are getting your anger out about Star Trek TOS, at the end of your life.
Star Trek TOS, is up there, along with I Love Lucy, and Twilight Zone as the best TV series ever.
Go have some pudding Joe.
I wasn’t even yet when Gene was making the first Trek. I just bother to ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION.
BWAHAHAHA Of you’re hilarious. Do you even realize that Lucy and Twilight also had some pretty strong diversity and inclusion agendas? And of course Lucy funded Trek. And back Gene on his diversity agenda.
It’s really funny how hard you guys are working to deny what the ACTUAL CREATOR OF THE SHOW said. Here’s one from Gene:
“Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there.”
― Gene Roddenberry
IDIC
Woke
DEI
Gene was for it all.
Lucy really? Lucy was about comedic moments in life, Twilight Zone was about normal people put in unexplained situations.
Are you on fentayl?
Lucy depicted the first interracial marriage on TV. It happened to be HER interracial marriage. One of the things the network objected to was Spock. Lucy understood that the half human half alien character was a stand in for all people of mixed lineage, including Desi Arnez Jr, HER mixed kid.
Twilight Zone was frequently about racism and hatred. Including the episode Encounter, which interestingly enough starred George Takei, about the WWII internment camps. Serling explained this stuff multiple times.
I’m on reality. You’re the one that needs to be on drugs to be this deep in denial.
OMG you are nuts, Lucy was married to a white cuban, Desi Arnaz, you in your warped mind, she was married to Harry Belefonte, get some help.
I think Desi Arnaz’s family were prominent landowners; likely making them descendants from Spanish colonists.
Cuban. Latin American. In the 1950s that was interracial. And he always made sure to keep his accent thick for the show. You’re the one that needs the help. Again you’re arguing against THE CREATORS. Everything I’m saying comes from Gene, and Lucy, and Rod.
Anyway. We now know for certain you’re hellbent on proving Denial isn’t just the longest river in Africa. You’re wrong. I know it. And you’re need for insults shows you know it too. We’re done, buh bye.
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