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I had no idea there were people who took this position of the Constitution’s reqmt about a president needing to be a natural born citizen could be interpreted as anything other than born on US soil within US jurisdiction.

Meaning, a natural born citizen is someone who was a US citizen at moment of birth — which anyone born on US soil within US jurisdiction is.

No idea where this manufactured condition came from about nationality of parents. Parents who are citizens of another country and who have NOT submitted diplomatic credentials to US authorities are within the jurisdiction of the US. (Diplomatic credentials disables that jurisdiction.)

Therefore, a child born on US soil to parents who are not diplomats is a US citizen at birth and that is the only requirement for natural born citizen. Meaning, a citizen not declared citizen via naturalization.

Note that the first at least 16 presidents of the US had parents who were not US citizens.

The specifics are interesting. Japan held control of some Aleutian Islands during World War II for a period of time. Babies born during that time, in that locale, were on US soil, but not within US jurisdiction. They were thus not US citizens at birth and later had to be naturalized.

The King of Thailand’s father was born while his parents were students at Harvard. He was born in Boston. And, interestingly, though royalty they had not submitted diplomatic credentials. They were within the jurisdiction of the US. Thus, that particular newborn eventual King of Thailand was a natural born US citizen and this was aggressively covered up as his reign progressed.


7 posted on 01/24/2024 11:24:41 AM PST by Owen (.)
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To: Owen

Nice thorough response.

However you are only waving a red flag at the bull. Expect a spate of redoubled efforts to explain how wrong you are.


8 posted on 01/24/2024 11:30:52 AM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Owen

No idea where this manufactured condition came from about nationality of parents. Parents who are citizens of another country and who have NOT submitted diplomatic credentials to US authorities are within the jurisdiction of the US. (Diplomatic credentials disables that jurisdiction.)


Rep. John Bingham (author of the 14th Amendment) describing his understanding of the language of the Constitution as of 1866:
"[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen"


The guy who authored the 14th Amendment had a pretty solid historic understanding of the meaning of Natural Born Citizen. But public school education has largely failed us all and we forget.


12 posted on 01/24/2024 11:55:40 AM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Owen

THEY COULD HAVE EASILY been students at Harvard-—

Harvard does NOT require their students to be citizens of the the USA.

The offspring might be a “naturalized citizen”-—BUT NOT NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.


13 posted on 01/24/2024 11:56:42 AM PST by ridesthemiles (uire)
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To: Owen

Foreighn diplomats are not “under US jurisdiction”. Their loyalty is to their own country.

If they were “under US jurisdiction”, then NYC and DC could solve their budget problems by forcing the foreign diplomats to pay their traffic tickets.


19 posted on 01/24/2024 12:35:57 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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