Funny you'd formulate the phrase that way. < s a r c >
It's been said rather recently by a current Biden administration apparatchik during the Obama era of fine diplomacy:
‘F**k the EU’: US diplomat Victoria Nuland's phonecall leaked - video ITN /Guardian , 7 February 2014.US envoy says 'F**k the EU' in leaked recording Euractiv, 7 February 2014
As the saying goes, the Europeans will never forgive the Jews for the Holocaust.
Forgotten and buried.
People focus in on “F#$& the EU” because of the vulgar language, but that’s not even the most interesting part of this. This is the US State Department deciding who assumes key positions in Ukraine’s government.
2014 and Maiden was a critical turning point. Even that was staged and Nuland later was bragging about that! That is when the West and in particular us more or less took control of Ukraine and began to purge all Russian influence there, even though 20% of the population is ethnic Russian, Russia is their source of gas and number #1 trading partner historically, etc.
We came in with the State Department, our NGO’s, media, and big tech which is all coordinated. In the intel world you have the CIA and NSA which are usually even colocated with the State Department and work hand in glove. The military and foreign aid is actually the only obvious part of this. There were lots of US firms that were investing there but also coordinate through the State Department, at times work with the intel community. Yes, in many cases those business folks accused of being spies really are such - they get recruited in the US when they get identified by the IC and it’s known they will go overseas to a nation we are targeting: China, Iran, Russia. Finally, some businesses need clearance from the DoD because of the nature of the product or service they are providing. With near unlimited resources from the Ukraine’s perspective, we came into a divided nation (this is really a civil war that we got involved in: Nationalist Ukraine 80% vs. ethnic Russians 20%) that is fairly corrupt, had a depressed Soviet era economy, and behind the curtain we took control because this place was economically valuable and had huge potential. Ukrainian sovereignty: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4820105/user-clip-biden-tells-story-ukraine-prosecutor-fired But our MSM never stops talking about Ukrainian “sovereignty.”
Most of our political influence in Europe is through security policy. NATO is not only our club which we own, it’s also what gives us some influence in Europe. Ukraine joining the EU and not NATO is not a good situation for us. Politically, we want Ukraine in NATO, but also the big corporations and financial institutions want this since NATO provides the physical security they seek, just like EU membership provides the political and bureaucratic stability, harmonization of regulations, and access to the worlds largest market. Business don’t like these sort of things: https://qz.com/mexico-buys-power-plants-amlo-isolationism-1850303387 So everyone agrees that we want Ukraine in the EU and NATO, the Euro’s, the US, the big corporations and financial institutions (which also means the MSM and big tech will support this)... The only problem is that we simply chose to ignore one of the most significant stake holders in all of this, Russia.
So we decided that we were going to bring a Russian border state, a former Soviet Republic, a nation where if they are part of NATO it would have strategic and permanent security implications for Russia into this military alliance and simply ignore Russia’s position/argument. In fact, we chose to make our decision in October 2021 and then tried to fast track Ukraine into NATO, wouldn’t talk to the Russians about it in earnest, and never invoked any sort of compromise where we might have personnel and equipment limitations, inspections, a demilitarized zone... And of course we simply ignore what the Russians perceived as a promise that we would not expand NATO into former Soviet Republics. Or that we were the ones that left the Ballistic Missile Treaty which has implications on this situation (first strike advantage and missile defense). Finally, we violated/cheated the crap out of Minsk which was an earnest attempt at peace by removing all outside military influence in Ukraine but we were obviously never interested in that since it is NATO which is the source of much of our influence in Europe. Finally, no one seems to mention how this entire situation stinks of hypocrisy since we would NEVER accept this sort of situation if in Russia’s shoes, and in fact may it be the Cuban Missile Crisis or Grenada, we did invade and stop such attempts when it was us in this very same situation. Nope, we just made up our mind and then wanted to ram rod it down the Russians throat. That worked very well / sarc. But that didn’t stop our factual and non-propagandist MSM from talking about “unprovoked Russian aggression.”
Ukraine should be the death blow for NATO from the European perspective - long term. What we did in Ukraine (cause a war and how we executed it: https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream) should long term convince the European policy maker that being NATO tied is NOT in their best interest. They need their own security apparatus, independent of us, and while this can coordinate and be allied with us, there needs to be enough separation to avoid the sort of situation Europe finds itself in today, a proxy war caused by us with Russia. Realize, even though they too want Ukraine in NATO, the Euro’s were the ones pushing for Minsk and in fact the Germans were pleading with us for that approach. We were the ones that ultimately pushed this into a war: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/
