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To: DiogenesLamp; woodpusher; Fury
Read the United States Code regarding "Nationality through Naturalization".

The requirements laid out in §1423, §1427, and §1429 completely rule out the prospect of naturalization applying to those who become citizens by virtue of being born in the United States. §1431 clarifies the conditions under which a child born outside of the United States may nonetheless automatically acquire citizenship. §1433 provides for the conditions under which one may apply for naturalization of a child born and residing outside the United States who did not previously acquire citizenship automatically.

You know who isn't mentioned under the US Code for naturalization? Those who already are considered nationals and citizens of the United States due to being born within our country whilst subject to its jurisdiction.

From a statutory prospective, I will reiterate with greater specificity: saying that those who are citizens by virtue of being born within the United States while subject to its jurisdiction are hence "naturalized at birth" is an oxymoron, and is flatly contradicted by the currently applicable statutes.

Oh, and if you want a court case that revoked citizenship based on "naturalization at birth", check out Rogers v Bellei.

Aldo Mario Bellei was born abroad in Italy (i.e. not within the United States, so the 14th Amendment wouldn't even apply), so his circumstances aren't even relevant to the case of Nikki Haley or Vivek Ramaswamy, who were born in the United States.

197 posted on 12/28/2023 11:44:28 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Read the United States Code regarding "Nationality through Naturalization".

US code doesn't overrule Constitutional law.

Those who already are considered nationals and citizens of the United States due to being born within our country whilst subject to its jurisdiction.

Doesn't change the fact that the 14th amendment *IS* naturalization. Everyone who gains citizenship by it's effect is a naturalized citizen. All those anchor babies are naturalized citizens.

Aldo Mario Bellei was born abroad in Italy (i.e. not within the United States, so the 14th Amendment wouldn't even apply), so his circumstances aren't even relevant to the case of Nikki Haley or Vivek Ramaswamy, who were born in the United States.

I didn't refer to him as a 14th amendment citizen. I referred to him as a "naturalized at birth" citizen.

And I can see you simply skipped right over your research assignment and came straight back to arguing with me without learning what I urged you to go learn.

The 14th is a naturalization amendment. It is not, and nor can it ever be, a replacement for "natural born citizen."

198 posted on 12/28/2023 12:11:25 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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