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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Naturalization only applies to those who are not already citizens by birth.

Look chum, I dare you to go to the congressional globe and read the debates about the 14th amendment. You can see all the arguments made by all the different Senators and Representatives about why it is needed, and they get deep into the issues of what they wanted to accomplish.

If you do this, you will find out that Congress regarded the 14th amendment as a naturalization tool.

It set naturalization "at birth." And before you get started about "you can't naturalize at birth" nonsense, I advise you to read any of the naturalization acts this nation has produced, such as the Naturalization act of 1952, where it specifically says that these classes of people are being naturalized en mass "at birth."

Catch up to my level of research, and then get back to me.

Oh, and if you want a court case that revoked citizenship based on "naturalization at birth", check out Rogers v Bellei.

196 posted on 12/28/2023 11:15:14 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; woodpusher; Fury
Read the United States Code regarding "Nationality through Naturalization".

The requirements laid out in §1423, §1427, and §1429 completely rule out the prospect of naturalization applying to those who become citizens by virtue of being born in the United States. §1431 clarifies the conditions under which a child born outside of the United States may nonetheless automatically acquire citizenship. §1433 provides for the conditions under which one may apply for naturalization of a child born and residing outside the United States who did not previously acquire citizenship automatically.

You know who isn't mentioned under the US Code for naturalization? Those who already are considered nationals and citizens of the United States due to being born within our country whilst subject to its jurisdiction.

From a statutory prospective, I will reiterate with greater specificity: saying that those who are citizens by virtue of being born within the United States while subject to its jurisdiction are hence "naturalized at birth" is an oxymoron, and is flatly contradicted by the currently applicable statutes.

Oh, and if you want a court case that revoked citizenship based on "naturalization at birth", check out Rogers v Bellei.

Aldo Mario Bellei was born abroad in Italy (i.e. not within the United States, so the 14th Amendment wouldn't even apply), so his circumstances aren't even relevant to the case of Nikki Haley or Vivek Ramaswamy, who were born in the United States.

197 posted on 12/28/2023 11:44:28 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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