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Laura Loomer Goes Full Birther Over Nikki Haley: The "Natural Born" Constitutional Requirement Issue Comes to the Fore
PJ Media ^ | 12/26/2023 | Matt Margolis

Posted on 12/26/2023 5:52:00 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Laura Loomer, a die-hard Trump supporter, is taking a page out of Hillary Clinton’s playbook by going into full birther mode.

'Nikki Haley Is An Anchor Baby Who Is Unqualified To Be US President,” an article posted to her website on Christmas Eve insists. Her piece argues that since her parents were Indian immigrants who didn’t become naturalized U.S. citizens until after her birth, Haley is an “anchor baby” with birthright citizenship and doesn’t qualify as a “natural born citizen."

She shared her article on X/Twitter, and users promptly flagged it with a Community Note.

NEW:@NikkiHaley Is An Anchor Baby Who Is Unqualified To Be US President

MUST READ! 👇🏻 https://t.co/7070uvKLqa— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) December 25, 2023

Loomer was livid when a Community Note flagged the post. "Why do @CommunityNotes censor factual posts?" she asked in a follow-up post on X/Twitter. "Read this article and see for yourself how this is wrongfully community noted. Natural born citizenship isn’t the same as birthright citizenship."

There were plenty of her supporters agreeing with her, as well as those calling her out for being flat-out wrong.

But what are the facts? Here’s what the Legal Information Institute of Cornell University says on the matter: 

A natural born citizen refers to someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth, and did not need to go through a naturalization proceeding later in life. Under the 14th Amendment's Naturalization Clause and the Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649, anyone born on U.S. soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship. This type of citizenship is referred to as birthright citizenship. One can be a citizen while not being a natural born citizen


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2024; donate; haley; laura; lauraloomer; lauralooney; loomer; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; nikki; nikkihaley
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To: woodpusher
I knew that when I saw a long message full of court cites, that your name would likely be at the bottom of it.

:)

141 posted on 12/27/2023 3:44:49 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: MamaTexan
Hey MamaTexan! Good to see you again!

So many good people go silent. It's refreshing to see some of us are still here. :)

142 posted on 12/27/2023 3:46:33 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Widget Jr
You want to see law? Here ya go!

This was the results of work done by the Pennsylvania Supreme court in determining which English statues apply in Pennsylvania. I will remind you that Philadelphia was where the convention was held, and the legal community of Philadelphia (including some of these judges) actually participated in the creation and ratification of the US Constitution.

This is as close as it gets to the horses mouth.

143 posted on 12/27/2023 3:52:58 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Mr Rogers
And of course you show up and put forth your usual misinformation on this topic.

This is a pretty regular occurrence with some of you.

144 posted on 12/27/2023 3:55:31 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Re: 143 - do you have a citation for the page you posted? Thank you.


145 posted on 12/27/2023 3:55:41 PM PST by Fury
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To: Political Junkie Too
Everyone in the colonies was a British citizen until July 4, 1776.

"Subject." Not "citizen."

That is the entire distinction between the two. No, they are not at all the same.

"Subject" links to British common law. "Citizen" links to Vattel and Switzerland.

We chose the Vattel meaning by choosing the word "citizen".

146 posted on 12/27/2023 3:59:28 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
First, I have no idea what you are talking about. It was not anything I discussed. 18th century slavery and abolitionism have nothing to do with 21st century NBC law.

Second, it is irrelevant. What the law is today is what matters, not a historical argument rendered moot by the passage of time and changes in law.

147 posted on 12/27/2023 3:59:37 PM PST by Widget Jr
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To: woodpusher
Oh, a short one that I can bother to look at.

You should know very well that subsequent law cannot redefine a term used by the US Constitution *UNLESS* it is a constitutional amendment.

You don't get a back door into redefining words in the US Constitution.

148 posted on 12/27/2023 4:03:18 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Angelino97
It's hard to say when the Constitution died.

1861 after Lincoln assumed the Presidency.

149 posted on 12/27/2023 4:04:34 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Oystir
It ain’t that difficult folks.

Simple minded explanations usually aren't. They are also usually wrong.

The chick and Obama were born on US soil. They can run for President after age 35 if they have lived as American citizens

The 14th amendment didn't re-write presidential eligibility requirements. Giving slaves citizenship did *NOT* make anyone born here a "natural citizen."

That is the wrong headed nonsense that got stuck in people's minds and is difficult to pry out of them, despite the fact that we have all sorts of examples (like the Indians) to prove it is incorrect.

150 posted on 12/27/2023 4:07:54 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Yes, thank you. My slip of the thumb.

-PJ

151 posted on 12/27/2023 4:10:21 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: DiogenesLamp

What year is it to you? 2023 or 1825?


152 posted on 12/27/2023 4:10:31 PM PST by Widget Jr
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
In what sense was Nikki Haley not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the moment she was born?

Whenever people bring up "subject to the jurisdiction" line, they are pretty much invoking the 14th amendment.

The 14th amendment did not change Presidential eligibility requirements.

Was she a "natural born citizen" by the standards of 1787? No. 14th amendment doesn't count towards presidential eligibility.

153 posted on 12/27/2023 4:11:32 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: woodpusher
A 34-year old could run and be elected. To exercise the office he or she would have to be 35 years old on inauguration day.

Or, Just like Obama, all the officials putting him on the ballot could just fail to check his eligibility and let him get elected anyway.

The one thing the idiot courts have taught us is that *NOBODY* and I mean *NOBODY* is enforcing presidential eligibility requirements.

They all dropped the ball and refused to do their job with Obama, starting with his proof of birth within the country.

Hawaii *STILL* hasn't released anything genuine.

154 posted on 12/27/2023 4:14:03 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: woodpusher
Your argument boils down to you do not like the applicable law.

My argument is that the courts are often filled with ignorant people who are unaware of the truth prior to making their rulings, and therefore they bungle the law because they are ignorant.

How many of those courts knew of that Pennsylvania Supreme Court book? How many knew it was clearly spelled out in that book?

They were all listening to William Rawle, who can be shown to be *LYING* when he claims English common law as the source for American citizenship.

155 posted on 12/27/2023 4:17:14 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Fury
Re: 143 - do you have a citation for the page you posted? Thank you.

Here is the entire book.

https://archive.org/details/digestofselectbr00robe/page/n19/mode/2up?view=theater

156 posted on 12/27/2023 4:20:28 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Good evenin' DL!

Yep, still here! Actually wondered about you when I posted, thinking you might stop by.

You been behaving yourself?

157 posted on 12/27/2023 4:22:43 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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To: Widget Jr
First, I have no idea what you are talking about. It was not anything I discussed. 18th century slavery and abolitionism have nothing to do with 21st century NBC law.

Yes, they do. Quite a lot in fact.

I thought I explained it clearly, but apparently I didn't.

William Rawle was the man who wrote a book that caused the most damage to American's understanding of the meaning "natural born citizen."

He was an English lawyer that came to Philadelphia after the Revolutionary war to practice law. He became president of the abolition society of Pennsylvania, and at the time, other states were having success abolishing slavery through court decisions declaring slaves "free."

He set about to replicate this in Pennsylvania courts. A case he took on was Negress Flora vs. Joseph Grainsberry. (Not sure I spelled that right) He lost. It went to the Pennsylvania Supreme court and he lost unanimously.

He put forth his claim that because English common law declared anyone born on the soil to be a "citizen", slaves could not be slaves, because they were "citizens."

The Pennsylvania Supreme court rejected this argument.

Rawle kept pushing his false claims and eventually wrote a book that became quite influential in early American jurisprudence, and that book contained Rawles false claims about citizenship.

It became so widespread, that the truth of what the framers intended with "natural born citizen" has been lost. It has been covered up with the muck of what Rawle did.

And it was all about slaves.

So was the 14th amendment. People nowadays try to tell you that the 14th amendment *CHANGED* the meaning of Presidential eligibility, but this is incorrect. All it did was grant slaves citizenship.

Second, it is irrelevant. What the law is today is what matters, not a historical argument rendered moot by the passage of time and changes in law.

You cannot amend the US Constitution by passing laws. That's not how it works. You have to pass amendments.

158 posted on 12/27/2023 4:29:52 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Widget Jr
What year is it to you? 2023 or 1825?

Did someone pass a constitutional amendment in the intervening time?

Doesn't matter the year. The constitution means what it means until it is changed by a lawful amendment process.

159 posted on 12/27/2023 4:31:44 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: MamaTexan
You been behaving yourself?

Dealing with life, dealing with responsibilities. Have troubles with the various kids not getting their lives on track, but they seem to be trying to remedy their problems.

Yeah, I like to show up on these NBC threads and tweak a few noses. People hate the fact that there is proof that what they believe is wrong.

But this is one of those issues where people just believe whatever they want to believe, and don't want to see anything that contradicts what they prefer to believe.

You can also find me on Civil War threads. Sometimes I think much of my tendency for arguing is just being a contrarian. I enjoy it too much. :)

How are things down there in Texas?

160 posted on 12/27/2023 4:37:02 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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