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How pro-Russian 'yacht' propaganda influenced US debate over Ukraine aid
BBC News.com ^ | December 20, 2023 | Olga Robinson, Shayan Sardarizadeh, and Mike Wendling

Posted on 12/21/2023 12:05:52 PM PST by Timber Rattler

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To: ansel12

As long as your buddies CONTINUE to believe that Trump ‘colluded’ with Russia in the 2016, I’ll continue to point out Ukraine’s WELL KNOWN corruption.


81 posted on 12/21/2023 3:59:52 PM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: jimwatx
Whether he bought a yacht or not is irrelevant it’s obvious the scumbag is pilfering aid money.

It is only "obvious" to people too ignorant to recognize crude fakes put together in some office in Russia or people who want to believe something regardless of whether it is true or not.

Which one are you?

82 posted on 12/21/2023 4:06:18 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: kiryandil
So you are saying that the Russians didn't launch the missile that hit the market, or perhaps that the market really wasn't destroyed, and that no missiles crossed into Poland?
83 posted on 12/21/2023 4:08:51 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: jimwatx
I find Seymour Hersh to be a credible source

That's funny. But you forgot the sarcasm tag.

84 posted on 12/21/2023 4:09:42 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: kiryandil
No matter how angry you Brits Putin fans get, the Challenger 2s Russian tanks and armor are still burning on the Eastern steppe and on rest of the occupied Ukrainian territories...

Fixed it for you.

Synchronized destruction

Krynky area

85 posted on 12/21/2023 4:19:16 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing
So you are saying that the Russians didn't launch the missile that hit the market, or perhaps that the market really wasn't destroyed, and that no missiles crossed into Poland?


86 posted on 12/21/2023 4:26:01 PM PST by kiryandil (The Biden: "Zelensky, we need to sit down and have a talk.")
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To: freeandfreezing
The Russians are paving Krynky with the bloody and drowned corpses of elite Ukrainian Marines.

It is to laugh.

87 posted on 12/21/2023 4:27:23 PM PST by kiryandil (The Biden: "Zelensky, we need to sit down and have a talk.")
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To: BobL

The issue is the yachts and you are being completely dishonest by suddenly ignoring them and refusing to acknowledge that they were never sold in the first place.


88 posted on 12/21/2023 4:32:15 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Timber Rattler
Zelensky's supposed purchases of yachts and mansions and the like are all LIES!

How do you know? What's your first-hand info? Other than you really really want to believe that it's lies.

I don't know if it's true but I sure as hell won't pronounce it is or isn't without evidence.

89 posted on 12/21/2023 5:30:23 PM PST by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

It was a silly claim from the beginning.

SuperYacht News has debunked the claim, the brokers say both yachts are still for sale and the MYBA-The Worldwide Yachting Association says the forms displayed haven’t been used in more than a decade, that they have strange areas redacted and appear to have forged areas, including the initials, and no one knows who that guy is that gave you people the fake story in the first place, his youtube video had 13 followers at the beginning.

A debunking from SuperYacht News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyR3qS6amJg


90 posted on 12/21/2023 6:14:47 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Timber Rattler
"the two ships in question have not even been sold."

Nor is there any evidence they were sold, or their real bills of sale posted online. Who cares, when the truth, lack of evidence, or common sense gets in the way of a good accusation? < /s >

"But the luxury yacht brokers where both vessels are listed for sale said that the allegations are false. The sales documents appear to be forgeries. And instead of having been purchased by Zelensky or his close advisers, both Lucky Me and My Legacy are still up for sale."

For that matter, include basic fact checking. When it comes to Ukraine, the political right is acting just as bad as we claim the left is. The childishness is getting tiresome.

91 posted on 12/21/2023 6:34:15 PM PST by Widget Jr (🟢🇺🇦 🚫☭)
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To: jimwatx

Seymour Hersh? He makes up realities worse than Noam Chomsky. He has to self publish now because major news organizations don’t trust him.


92 posted on 12/21/2023 6:40:11 PM PST by Widget Jr (🟢🇺🇦 🚫☭)
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To: jimwatx

Seymour Hersh? He makes up realities worse than Noam Chomsky. He has to self publish now because major news organizations don’t trust him.


93 posted on 12/21/2023 6:40:15 PM PST by Widget Jr (🟢🇺🇦 🚫☭)
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To: BobL

Over 90% of the money earmarked for Ukraine is spent here in the U.S.

There are at least 117 production lines in 31 states where American workers are producing major weapons systems for Ukraine.

Stinger missiles.... Haven’t been produced since 2005, Pentagon signed a $600+ million dollar contract to reopen production to replace the ones sent to Ukraine as well as expand the war stocks already on hand.

Another $600+ million dollar contract to expand production of the JDAM-ER and GLSDB.

$1.5 Billion+ to expand production of 155mm rounds

As well as hundreds of other things BUILT BY AMERICANS.

Another benefit of supporting Ukraine is:

The weapons we’ve sent to Ukraine has incentivized some of our NATO allies to purchase U.S. made weapons. Poland for example has donated 250 older T-72 and Leopard tanks to Ukraine, and has signed a $4.75 Billion dollar deal to buy new M1A2 tanks built by Americans in Lima Ohio. They later inked a further $1.4 billion dollar deal for additional tanks.

They also sent Ukraine their Mi-24 attack helicopters, and have purchased 96 AH-64 Apaches for $12 Billion in return.

Finland is donating it’s F/A-18’s and buying F-35’s

Norway, Denmark and the Netherlands are donating F-16’s and buying F-35’s

All of those weapons are being built by American companies who in turn hire Americans who spend the money they earn in their respective local economies.....


94 posted on 12/21/2023 7:10:14 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it.)
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To: freeandfreezing

Each week, out of desperation the neo-soviets post another picture from a different angle of the same tank while claiming they destroyed dozens.


95 posted on 12/21/2023 7:41:32 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it.)
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To: kiryandil

“The Russians are paving Krynky with the bloody and drowned corpses of elite Ukrainian Marines.”

What’s left of your “elite” 104th Air Assault Division says otherwise.

6000 “elite” paratroopers couldn’t crush the bridgehead held by a mere 250 Ukrainian Marines

Laugh indeed.


96 posted on 12/21/2023 8:14:38 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it.)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

Turn off MSNBC, and step away from the TeeVee set.


97 posted on 12/21/2023 8:18:21 PM PST by kiryandil (The Biden: "Zelensky, we need to sit down and have a talk.")
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To: 2CAVTrooper

“Over 90% of the money earmarked for Ukraine is spent here in the U.S.”

Link please.


98 posted on 12/21/2023 8:20:04 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: ansel12

Do you think that Trump ‘colluded’ with Russia? Be honest now?


99 posted on 12/21/2023 8:20:40 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: BobL

Your dishonesty in our exchange is pure troll stuff.


100 posted on 12/21/2023 8:22:35 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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