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The Colorado Ruling Changed My Mind (barf)
The Atlantic ^ | Dec 20, 2023 | George T. Conway III

Posted on 12/20/2023 6:52:58 PM PST by where's_the_Outrage?

When I review divided appellate-court decisions, I almost always read the dissenting opinions first. The habit formed back when I was a young law student and lawyer—and Federalist Society member—in the late 1980s, when I would pore (and, I confess, usually coo) over Justice Antonin Scalia’s latest dissents.

I came to adopt the practice not just for newsworthy rulings that I disagreed with, but for decisions I agreed with, including even obscure cases in the areas of business law I practiced. Dissents are generally shorter, and almost always more fun to read, than majority opinions; judges usually feel freer to express themselves when writing separately. But dissents are also intellectually useful: If there’s a weakness in the majority’s argument, an able judge will expose it, sometimes brutally, and she may make you change your mind, or at least be less dismissive of her position, even when you disagree. Give me a pile of Justice Elena Kagan’s dissents to read anytime—I love them even when she’s wrong, as I think she often is. You can learn a lot from dissents. Last night, I reviewed the three separate dissents in Anderson v. Griswold, the landmark 4–3 Colorado Supreme Court case holding that Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits Donald Trump from ever serving again as president of the United States. ......

But last night changed my mind. Not because of anything the Colorado Supreme Court majority said. The three dissents were what convinced me the majority was right.

The dissents were gobsmacking—for their weakness. They did not want for legal craftsmanship, but they did lack any semblance of a convincing argument.

For starters, none of the dissents challenged the district court’s factual finding that Trump had engaged in an insurrection.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: 00001esadconway; 2024electon; ballot; colorado; conway; election; tdsbs; trump
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"none of the dissents challenged the district court’s factual finding that Trump had engaged in an insurrection."

That Trump was never charged nor found guilty of "insurrection" does not seem to matter here.

1 posted on 12/20/2023 6:52:58 PM PST by where's_the_Outrage?
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

This is that fat sack of sour vomit that is (or was) married to Kellyanne Conway.

But of course he’d write a nonsensical trump hating screed like this one. And for Atlantic of course.


2 posted on 12/20/2023 6:55:34 PM PST by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Sounds like the gay rantings of a pedophile.


3 posted on 12/20/2023 6:56:10 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

these people live in lie hole land.


4 posted on 12/20/2023 6:56:10 PM PST by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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Because it wasn’t FACTUAL to begin with.

It’s subjective opinion at best.


5 posted on 12/20/2023 6:58:50 PM PST by Skywise
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To: Paladin2

I think this is kellyanne Conway’s husband. He is still gay.


6 posted on 12/20/2023 7:00:18 PM PST by Right Brother (Pray for God's intervention to stop UMCRevMom's invasion of Free Republic)
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George T. Conway III?

lol. It's the former Mr. Kellyanne Conway.

7 posted on 12/20/2023 7:01:04 PM PST by FreeReign
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George Conway?

That guy never told the truth in his life.


8 posted on 12/20/2023 7:03:00 PM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Right Brother

Yeah, I left out “fat”....


9 posted on 12/20/2023 7:03:05 PM PST by Paladin2
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George Conway, like Chris Christie, is a disappointed office seeker. It’s amazing what an ass he has made of himself after losing the Solicitor General job to Noel Francisco.


10 posted on 12/20/2023 7:04:22 PM PST by devere
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If there’s a weakness in the majority’s argument, an able judge will expose it, sometimes brutally, and she. . .

Conway's prose betrays some of the warning signs of dicklessness--a tragic flaw in a man's brain.

11 posted on 12/20/2023 7:06:20 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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He has a mind?


12 posted on 12/20/2023 7:08:49 PM PST by mbrfl
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That Trump was never charged nor found guilty of "insurrection" does not seem to matter here.

Indeed, not one of the J6 defendants has been charged with insurrection, either. To me, this is where the entire majority decision falls into dust.

13 posted on 12/20/2023 7:09:04 PM PST by econjack
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The constitutional language is plain. You can’t be president if you previously took an oath “as an officer of the United States … to support the Constitution of the United States” but “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” against, or have “given aid or comfort to the enemies of,” that Constitution or the nation it charters.

This fool is completely unaware that half the country does not believe Trump fostered an insurrection. He's surely never looked into it himself. It's just an agreed upon fact. Like anthropogenic global warming.

14 posted on 12/20/2023 7:09:17 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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That’s right. The fact that George Conway is always screaming about Donald Trump tells me George has done nefarious deeds.


15 posted on 12/20/2023 7:09:43 PM PST by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Good gravy, this goober still exists?


16 posted on 12/20/2023 7:11:06 PM PST by Tax-chick (Sounds like a great idea, with the best of intentions. What could possibly go wrong?)
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To: No name given

I think it means he has an extreme man crush on Trump, and this is his way of expressing his love.


17 posted on 12/20/2023 7:17:31 PM PST by MayflowerMadam ("A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once.")
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“That Trump was never charged nor found guilty of “insurrection” does not seem to matter here.”


Well in a sense it doesn’t. The Confederate officials banned from office were never charged nor found guilty of insurrection. It was public knowledge and record that they had participated in the Confederate government or led Confederate armies.

What is up for debate is whether or not the events of January 6 constituted an ‘insurrection’. Democrats apparently believe in their heart of hearts that it was and that somehow President Trump was a part of it. They are comparing an hours-long disruption of Congress to the four-year bloodshed of the Civil War. But then, they believe that men can give birth.

But the 14th Amendment doesn’t ban anyone from seeking office so banning Trump’s name from the primary makes no sense. Further, should he win the nomination, while his name might be on the ballot in the general election, in fact voters will be voting for Electors pledged to vote for Trump, not Trump himself.

Should Trump win in ‘24 I foresee this 14th Amendment nonsense to continue to try to keep him from taking office. A good reason to make sure that the House remains in Republican control.


18 posted on 12/20/2023 7:23:05 PM PST by hanamizu ( )
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George Conway. That’s a big surprise.

In the case of Donald Trump, I am more and more reminded what an old friend once told me. He had been an Albanian communist partisan in WW2. Enver Hoxha had been his school teacher in the city of Korçë. After the war, my friend was in charge of trying the cases of people accused of collaborating with the Germans and the Italians — AKA fascists. He endeavored to have fair trials and was acquitting people if the evidence of their alleged crime was not convincing. The Communists asked him about this. He said those people acquitted were not guilty, based on evidence. The Communists told him, “No, they are all guilty, and perhaps you are a fascist too.” Seeing the writing on the wall, he escaped to Greece, took refuge in a church, became an Orthodox Christian, and moved to the United States where he made a good life for himself.

I wish he were still around so I could ask him what he thought of the case of Donald Trump.


19 posted on 12/20/2023 7:23:09 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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democrats are the enemy of the united states and its citizens


20 posted on 12/20/2023 7:29:09 PM PST by merkova
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