[PerConPat]

Democracy, even when tempered by republican institutions, is not workable over time. Dr. Franklin was right to question a republic's chances for longevity. The lure of Utopian pipe dreams is too strong for tyrants not to sooner or later employ democracy to gain control.

I don't claim to be a prophet; but I am now quite sure the only chance of once again being truly free rests on having the good fortune of another set of gifted founders rising up in the aftermath of the continuing collapse. And, IMO, this is iffy at best. I hope the election of Trump or someone like him will prove me wrong.

[Scott from the Left Coast]

The election of Trump will only instigate civil war from the Left. So even that will not stop this collapse. If Trump overcomes all and is elected, we will have civil war and some form of secession by the leftist states. If Trump is not successful, the right will succumb to the Leftist tyranny and that will be the end.

Either way, this nation has collapsed and is no more.