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Zelensky pushes back on army request for 500,000 more soldiers
The Telegraph via Yahoo ^ | December 19th, 2023 | Joe Barnes

Posted on 12/19/2023 1:52:05 PM PST by Mariner

Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday night pushed back on a military request to mobilise 500,000 men to join the fight against Russia amid reports of a mounting spat between Ukraine’s generals and politicians.

During a rare question and answer session, the Ukrainian president told journalists that the military leadership had proposed mobilising “450,000 to 500,000 people”.

“This is a serious number. I need some serious arguments to support this direction,” the Ukrainian president continued.

“I need concrete information on what will then happen with the million-strong military of Ukraine.”

Ukraine’s top general Valerii Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s top general, and defence minister Rustem Umerov were in November ordered to present fresh mobilisation plans after a long-heralded counter-offensive failed to expel Russian forces from the country.

Gen Zaluzhny infuriated the presidential administration in November when he said the war was at a stalemate, a claim slapped down by Mr Zelensky.

In recent days the pair have also grappled over the president’s decision to dismiss regional draft office chiefs over corruption.

(Excerpt) Read more at yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
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All they need is half a million fighting age men, $100 billion per year from the western partners and access to the entire NATO weapons and ammo stocks.

Then they can win this thing./s

1 posted on 12/19/2023 1:52:05 PM PST by Mariner
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Ukraine is still frustrating the hell out of Ruzzian imperialism.

Hopefully sometime soon they’ll team up with Moldova to eradicate the Ruzzian forces and colonists in Transnistria and restore it to Moldovan rule.


2 posted on 12/19/2023 1:56:12 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC

Hold your breath


3 posted on 12/19/2023 1:57:18 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

So you all complained that Z is mobilizing toddlers, and Ukraine has no more men.

Now you going to complain when he hesitates to mobilize more men?


4 posted on 12/19/2023 1:58:09 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: MeganC

“is still frustrating the hell out of Ruzzian imperialism.”

Just like Tibet is frustrating the hell out of China


5 posted on 12/19/2023 1:58:33 PM PST by MNDude
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To: Mariner

How many are left in Ukraine of fighting age men? How many fled the country?


6 posted on 12/19/2023 2:03:22 PM PST by dynachrome (War does not determine who is right, but who is left.)
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To: Mariner

Elrond: “You’re outnumbered. You need more men.”
Aragorn: “There are none.”
Elrond: “There are those who dwell ... in the mountain.”

But no Army of the Dead will rescue The Ukraine. It’s over.


7 posted on 12/19/2023 2:05:04 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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Gen Zaluzhny infuriated the presidential administration in November when he said the war was at a stalemate, a claim slapped down by Mr Zelensky.

Zaluzhny, he don't get no respect. He blows up the Nordstream and now his homie has been bugging his offices and stuff like that...

8 posted on 12/19/2023 2:09:02 PM PST by cabojoe ( 🇺🇸 Stop Ukie censorship. Release Gonzalo Lira)
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To: MeganC

“ Hopefully sometime soon they’ll team up with Moldova to eradicate the Ruzzian forces and colonists in Transnistria and restore it to Moldovan rule.”
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So now you’re reduced to having moist dreams of getting other countries to fight your battles. And who will finance THEM… THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS?

About the Ukrainian military’s request for more trooos… what are all the Ukrainian pensioners doing, sitting on their dead buttocks? Go ahead and order them mobilized and trucked to the trenches. Just don’t do it with American money.


9 posted on 12/19/2023 2:14:17 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: Mariner

As the situation becomes more desperate, it is well to remember that desperation breeds desperate acts. There are still, nearly unthinkable game-changing “options” out there for those desperate enough. Could Ukraine decide that if they can’t win, that Putin won’t either and deploy serious biological weapons? Does anyone here think those are out there and available to desperate actors who can cough up the cash to buy them surreptitiously? I think there will be many more twists to this plot and the last acts have not yet been written. I don’t expect it to end quietly. I hope it’s not horrific either.


10 posted on 12/19/2023 2:16:21 PM PST by desertsolitaire ( M)
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To: MeganC

Moldova needs to worry about cleaning up its own corruption before taking on Russia


11 posted on 12/19/2023 2:16:29 PM PST by LukeL
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“Moldova needs to worry about cleaning up its own corruption before taking on Russia”

Evicting the Ruzzian invaders from Moldova and banning the Ruzzian language will go a long way towards reducing corruption in Moldova.


12 posted on 12/19/2023 2:20:31 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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It’s not just a dream. Moldova is practicing with their new weapons for the eventual defeat of the Ruzzian invaders.

But they’re just exercises, right? And anything that happens won’t be an actual war but just a ‘special military operation’ so I’m sure Pooty will understand.

https://www.rferl.org/a/moldova-military-maneuvers-transdniester/32734350.html

“Pro-Western Moldova on December 17 launched military exercises near the Russia-backed breakaway region Of Transdniester, the Defense Ministry said, adding that the maneuvers were to run through December 22. The military said the exercises would take place at the Bulboaca Training Center. A Facebook posting showed military vehicles traveling along national roads in the region. Russia keeps more than 1,000 troops in Transdniester as “peacekeepers.” Moldova’s parliament on December 15 adopted a pro-Western national defense strategy in a move hailed by President Maia Sandu as a step forward toward security and stability.”


13 posted on 12/19/2023 2:23:57 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: desertsolitaire

“As the situation becomes more desperate, it is well to remember that desperation breeds desperate acts. “


They have been threatening the Zaporizhzhia reactor almost since the start of the war.


14 posted on 12/19/2023 2:28:03 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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“This is a serious number. I need some serious arguments to support this direction,”

Here’s one….. cigarette? Blind fold?

15 posted on 12/19/2023 2:28:12 PM PST by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting…)
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I get the impression from past and present reporting that Zelensky is ordering the military to hold positions at any cost ( and those costs are horrendous) and insisting the military prep for another offensive in 2024 ( when the West sends him F-16’s and more weapons) ….this keeps the illusion of “ future victory” going in Kiev and the West, and the flow of money and weapons into Ukraine.

The clown’s grand strategy is burning through the already mobilized and barely trained military reserves ….and ammo supplies ….

Zelensky’s claim the military is requesting this mobilization is a cover to shift blame on his main power rival Zaluzhny for an increasingly visible and sure to be unpopular conscription order, to shanghai men off the streets and send them to die in wave after wave of deliveries to the swamps and trenches.


16 posted on 12/19/2023 2:39:22 PM PST by silverleaf (“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: Mariner

The Ukraine is weak!-Cosmo Kramer


17 posted on 12/19/2023 2:41:22 PM PST by parmamenian (and so it goes!)
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To: Williams

“So you all complained that Z is mobilizing toddlers, and Ukraine has no more men.”

Who is “you all”?

I never made either of those claims. Not once.

In fact, I believe Ukraine has about 2 million men 20-40yrs remaining. And eligible for conscription.


18 posted on 12/19/2023 2:57:41 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Ukraine’s top general Valerii Zaluzhny


19 posted on 12/19/2023 2:58:47 PM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: desertsolitaire

When faced with existential defeat, I believe Ukraine will behave like any other country in that situation.

They will use everything they can get their hands on.

Everything.


20 posted on 12/19/2023 2:59:52 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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