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Ukrainian troops fighting on Dnipro river say official claims of success are misleading: 'There are no positions. It's a suicide mission'
MSN - Business Insider ^ | December 17, 2023 | Alia Shoaib

Posted on 12/17/2023 7:33:38 AM PST by Navy Patriot

Ukrainian soldiers and marines told The New York Times that the Dnipro river front is brutal. They contradicted official reports that they have gained a foothold on the eastern bank. They said that Ukrainian soldiers are dying in huge numbers and that it is a "suicide mission."

In recent months, the banks of the Dnipro river have taken center stage in the war in Ukraine, with Ukrainian officials claiming that their forces have gained a foothold on the eastern bank.

However, marines and soldiers on the ground told The New York Times that these claims are overstated and that Ukrainians are dying in huge numbers, often before they even reach the other side of the river.

"There are no positions. There is no such thing as an observation post or position," Ukrainian soldier Oleksiy said. "It is impossible to gain a foothold there. It's impossible to move equipment there."

"It's not even a fight for survival," he said. "It's a suicide mission."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 10percent4thebigguy; krynky; ukraine; warbucks; zeepers
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

So you have no answer to someone who posts that “at least China doesn’t charge you with misgendering”?

I think it sums up the bad thinking here.

You think you can hate Ukraine because Biden is President, and you can hold common cause with the statements of anti a American pigs.

I don’t think China makes you curb your dog, either. That doesn’t justify smarmy anti American anti Western propaganda.

And now your answer is so what, because they aren’t in the State Department?

I think the goal posts keep moving.

Mine don’t. God Bless Ukraine and death to Russia and Communist China, Iran, N Korea and Hamas.

And btw your buddies hate Donald Trump as well.

Bunch of idiots.


81 posted on 12/17/2023 12:14:01 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Reverend Wright
--- "We are watching 'The Cathedral' shift the narrative in real time."

I think something like this is correct. Never heard the expression "Cathedral" applied to it though.

As an old guy, I remember well the heated political rhetoric surrounding the whole Viet Nam era. Upshot of that -- we went away after 58K of buddies were lost.

Iraq? We left, almost. Afghanistan? We left. Syria? We're still there on behalf of Kurds, who are not a nation. Lots of conflicts / kinetic actions / police actions / wars these days.

Not to forget the "war on poverty." The "war on drugs." The "war on terror." And probably we shouldn't forget the Wray FBI's surveillance of traditional Catholics, and more. I suspect the media is having a hard time trying to write "apologia" in their advocacy journalism, as people walk away.

82 posted on 12/17/2023 12:19:31 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Williams
This is serving as open therapy for you. Apparently it's necessary.
83 posted on 12/17/2023 12:20:27 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

The “Cathedral” concept was created by Curtis Yarvin.

This 10 min video explains it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VAw9nCA2eg

The original Yarvin essay.

https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-brief-explanation-of-the-cathedral


84 posted on 12/17/2023 12:45:15 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

For your brilliant information, I have been trying to keep Fee Republic from being dominated by anti American idiots like the ones you have no problem with.

If that’s my therapy to keep anti American crap off of me, it’s a good therapy.

If FR has become the home of “At least Red China doesn’t do ‘x’” Then that’s a sad day for Patriots and original Freepers.

If you are more worried about Ukraine than China and Russia, have a good life.


85 posted on 12/17/2023 12:50:52 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

“There we go W Traveler your buddy is posting that Red China and Russia are better because they don’t ban “misgendering”.

Do you denounce that dung? Do you think China is morally equivalent to America or Europe? “


China is a communist dictatorship which has expressed their defiance against the Lord by banning the 10 commandments and replacing it with the sayings of Chairman Xi.

Russia is a self-proclaimed Christian country where the government actively protects is citizens from Globalist LGBT propaganda.

The “Democracies” of the West are now imprisoning people for misgendering, opposing the castration of their kids, or transphobia.

And they are banning dissident political parties, as well as rigging the legal system to imprison popular opposition politicians.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/12/13/germany-afd-far-right-ban-populism/

The West no longer has any moral high ground. They denounce Russia for forcibly changing borders and taking territory away from countries when NATO did exactly that with Serbia and Kosovo.


86 posted on 12/17/2023 1:07:33 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

Your anti American anti Western pro Russia arguments disqualify you as a patriot or conservative.

Others may look the other way I won’t.

Next.


87 posted on 12/17/2023 1:45:19 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

“. Your anti American anti Western pro Russia arguments disqualify you as a patriot or conservative. “


I’m just telling it like it is. Western decay is a fact. Everyone know it.

There’s this curious schizophrenia from many of the pro-Ukraine Freepers where they recognize the decline on border security, LGBT in the schools, college anti-semitism, abortion, corrupt legal system, political prosecutions, woke corporations, media bias, election fraud, dysfunctional woke military, anti-white racism, anti-Christian persecution... and on and on...

Then they get on the Ukraine threads where it is the Saintly Democratic West against evil Russia.

?????????

One other point. Progressivism is not static. It continually moves Left.

So if we look at the Left shift in the past five years, and project additional Left movement of that scale for the next five years, where is the West then ?


88 posted on 12/17/2023 2:02:15 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

Keep talking your crap. You embarrass Free Republic and the fools who befriend you on this thread.

Screw our enemies despotic Russia and China and to heck with their defenders.

“China doesn’t charge you for misgendering....” Get lost.

If anyone here buys that rhetoric for frigging Communist China they are brain dead.

Go on the Internet in China. Case closed.


89 posted on 12/17/2023 2:58:54 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams
---- "... I have been trying to keep Fee Republic from being dominated by anti American idiots like the ones you have no problem with."

"Anti-American idiots." It becomes time for you to write directly to the Robinsons and tell them of your quest, offer your political expertise and insights, and name names of the anti-American idiots.

A direct email address is available publicly on the Free Republic home page. Or you can use your FreepMail.

90 posted on 12/17/2023 3:38:18 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Oh screw off. You play with these dopes that compare the Chicoms favorably to the United States. You’re a fraud.

As for FR I post here like everyone else. You don’t like it get me thrown out for your communist loving friends.

I explained why after 25 years on Free Republic, it matters to me to answer apologists for Russia and China. If that’s a problem for you, look in the mirror.


91 posted on 12/17/2023 4:25:37 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Lol you’ve been here two years?
I’ll put my 25 years of conservative positions up against you and your Chicom supporting Hamas justifying idiots every day of the week.

2021 and you act like a senior conservative here. Welcome aboard misguided newbie.


92 posted on 12/17/2023 4:30:00 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams
---- "...like a senior conservative here. Welcome aboard misguided newbie."

I am most assuredly not any "senior conservative here." Neither are you. Conservatism isn't defined by seniority. McConnell and Graham and Biden and Pelosi and Schumer are proof of that.

I suggested you contact the Robinsons. Make your complaints to the operators of the forum.

As previously offered, "A direct email address is available publicly on the Free Republic home page. Or you can use your FreepMail."

93 posted on 12/17/2023 7:03:34 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

You’re talking like a fool now.

Keep running your mouth. Yawn.


94 posted on 12/17/2023 7:05:22 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

“A direct email address is available publicly on the Free Republic home page. Or you can use your FreepMail.”


95 posted on 12/17/2023 7:13:19 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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