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Ukrainian troops fighting on Dnipro river say official claims of success are misleading: 'There are no positions. It's a suicide mission'
MSN - Business Insider ^ | December 17, 2023 | Alia Shoaib

Posted on 12/17/2023 7:33:38 AM PST by Navy Patriot

Ukrainian soldiers and marines told The New York Times that the Dnipro river front is brutal. They contradicted official reports that they have gained a foothold on the eastern bank. They said that Ukrainian soldiers are dying in huge numbers and that it is a "suicide mission."

In recent months, the banks of the Dnipro river have taken center stage in the war in Ukraine, with Ukrainian officials claiming that their forces have gained a foothold on the eastern bank.

However, marines and soldiers on the ground told The New York Times that these claims are overstated and that Ukrainians are dying in huge numbers, often before they even reach the other side of the river.

"There are no positions. There is no such thing as an observation post or position," Ukrainian soldier Oleksiy said. "It is impossible to gain a foothold there. It's impossible to move equipment there."

"It's not even a fight for survival," he said. "It's a suicide mission."

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 10percent4thebigguy; krynky; ukraine; warbucks; zeepers
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Uke Nazis are Expendable until there are not anymore Uke Nazis.
1 posted on 12/17/2023 7:33:38 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot

The entire conflict is a suicide mission, wake up.


2 posted on 12/17/2023 7:35:08 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Are you ready for Black Lives MAGA? It's coming.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

I don’t mean you, NP, Ukraine/NATO/US needs to wake up!


3 posted on 12/17/2023 7:36:06 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Are you ready for Black Lives MAGA? It's coming.)
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To: Navy Patriot
As the “mainstream” messaging slowly turns its rhetorical corner, there is indication that the “approved” messaging will point in a new direction, to extricate the last as the winds of war and the turmoil of national elections demand “next!”
4 posted on 12/17/2023 7:39:15 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

I suspect you are correct, these are Change-The-Narrative transition articles.


5 posted on 12/17/2023 7:42:31 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Understood.


6 posted on 12/17/2023 7:43:01 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Navy Patriot

The death of huge numbers of white young men in Ukraine and Russia is being celebrated daily by the globalists. Putin will go down in history as the fool who played into their plans.


7 posted on 12/17/2023 7:43:19 AM PST by allendale
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To: Navy Patriot

The West is actually running PR gas-lighting campaign, with a war on the side.


8 posted on 12/17/2023 7:44:04 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Navy Patriot

Clearly these troops aren’t benefiting from the barrage of US-supplied M483/M864 cluster munitions.

/s


9 posted on 12/17/2023 7:44:21 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: allendale
Putin will go down in history as the fool who played into their plans.

Interesting. What are these particular globalist plans? How could Russia and Ukraine avoided them?

10 posted on 12/17/2023 7:45:51 AM PST by PGR88
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To: allendale

Putin Derangement Syndrome.


11 posted on 12/17/2023 7:45:52 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Reverend Wright

Tick tick tick, goes the establishment message.


12 posted on 12/17/2023 7:46:08 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: All

There is no good reason for uncertainty about matters like this. In orbit assets can produce imagery that would make very clear what is happening.

The only involved people who do not know the truth of this situation is the general public. The Russians know. The US/UK/Ukraine knows. Only the public does not know.

And it need not be any sort of concealment of imagery capability. There are purely civilian spacecraft that can image these locations. They clearly have been told not to release any such images — with the excuse being it would reveal this and that and this and that to the Russians — which is absurd since the Russians have their own satellites and already know this information.

No, this is all about manipulating Congress and providing Congress only the information the Administration wants it to have.

This is a very specific and particular reality where there is zero technical motivation behind refusing to release this to the public. The motivation is all something else.


13 posted on 12/17/2023 7:48:45 AM PST by Owen (.)
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To: PGR88

It appears that more Western Effort is going into Disinformation than into actual fighting the war.


14 posted on 12/17/2023 7:49:08 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Yeah, that is a spot on observation. Only half a year ago they were apparently one more giant paycheck from having lunch and a smoke break in the Kremlin, to something very much different today.


15 posted on 12/17/2023 7:49:57 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Navy Patriot

Those that follow Independent bloggers have known this for weeks
I posted this yesterday in another thread

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4203922/posts

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Ukraine has Landed troops in a small bridgehead across the river from Kherson. Russia keep bombing the hell out of it and blowing up boats trying to cross. No progress has been made in weeks. Ukraine Taking big loses

Get your ass back across the river .. it’s a trap
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I suggest you all follow this Channel instead of waiting a week to hear from the MSM. Russian advances have been picking up speed the past few days
https://rumble.com/c/MilitarySummary


16 posted on 12/17/2023 7:50:55 AM PST by janetjanet998 (Legacy media including youtube are the enemy of the people and must die)
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To: Navy Patriot

I want my Mommy!


17 posted on 12/17/2023 7:56:08 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: allendale

I think the purposes of the war are two-fold. First and most obvious is the graft money to be made by the politicians. Second is the testing of new munitions.


18 posted on 12/17/2023 7:58:52 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: PGR88

Globalists first and foremost wish to destroy nationalism. Nationalism is the solitary biggest threat to their fantasy of a world government and domination by “enlightened elites”. They view countries dominated by whites that have a strong cultural idenity as obstacles. The weakening of Russia and Ukraine as a result of the carnage is delightful to them.


19 posted on 12/17/2023 7:59:24 AM PST by allendale
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To: Owen
No, this is all about manipulating Congress and providing Congress only the information the Administration wants it to have

Congress is in on the scam.

20 posted on 12/17/2023 8:00:44 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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