Posted on 12/16/2023 5:45:40 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
Go back to drooling in front of the documented liars of “brought to you by Pfizer,” DogPoo Douche.
NATO expansion is non-negotiable.
Georgia wants in too. Armenia is now interested.
Something about Russia keeps driving countries to apply.
Maybe its Putin.
Fixed it.
E. Pluribus Unum wrote: “Go back to drooling in front of the documented liars of “brought to you by Pfizer,” DogPoo Douche.”
We can always tell when you’ve run out of intelligent responses by your resort to name-calling. Obviously, that ‘Brain Force’ product you bought from Alex Jones isn’t working well for you. Perhaps you should see if you can get a refund?
I’m sorry, DogDoo Douche, I didn’t realize you were still here.
You may go now.
E. Pluribus Unum wrote: “I’m sorry, DogDoo Douche, I didn’t realize you were still here. You may go now.”
Don’t you ever get tired of proving how insipid you are?
The Telegraph reports:
Defence deal with Finland will give US access to 15 military bases on Russian border
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/defence-deal-with-finland-will-give-us-access-to-15-military-bases-on-russian-border/ar-AA1lzcbE
“The US will gain access to 15 military bases along the border with Russia under a defence deal to be signed with Finland next week (Monday).
Russia would regard the presence of Nato infrastructure near its borders as a threat, said Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin spokesman...
...Washington signed a similar pact with Sweden on Dec 6 that gives the US access to 17 military bases.”
......”Rules are you can’t join NATO if you are at war”......
True that.
we have to fight and pay for it!
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Go for it, but don’t rob America for a severely corrupted regime that has no strategic importance to America. There is a good analogy in the Aviation community.
When flying at 42,000 feet and sudden cabin depression occurs, the ADULT is instructed to put his oxygen mask on FIRST, then the child’s. If not , both die.
The adult (America) needs to take care of their own first, then the child ( Ukraine), if not, both will perish together….as we are witnessing.
As do the United, the UK and France plus Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Turkey have US nuclear weapons on hand for their own defense via nuclear sharing agreements. Russia faces nuclear obliteration if attacks NATO and it knows it.
“When flying at 42,000 feet and sudden cabin depression occurs, the ADULT is instructed to put his oxygen mask on FIRST, then the child’s. If not , both die.
The adult (America) needs to take care of their own first, then the child (Ukraine), if not, both will perish together….as we are witnessing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I like your metaphor.
However... in the scenario of the Russia on Ukraine war, it won’t fit in.
I prefer this metaphor:
Imagine a cruise ship with 195 cabins.
The cruise ship represents Mother Earth.
The 195 cabins represent the 195 countries of the planet.
If we have violent passengers in cabin No. 55 (drunk Russians) who decides to go berserk and set their neighbor cabin No. 56 (occupied by an Ukrainian couple) on fire... and imagine if the other passengers from the other cabins nearby decides to ignore that fire... saying “it’s not OUR cabin burning thus not OUR business to do anything about it”. Well... what would happen??
Well... in such a scenario it would precipitate the spread of the fire to other cabins nearby, and to the next... and to the next... very quickly. When 10 cabins are burning... there is a high risk of the entire ship being compromised - sinking with all the 195 cabins of the ship going down with it.
THAT is the situation Russia has imposed to the world by simply setting fire to one of its neighbors : Ukraine.
Russia is playing with fire and risks igniting the whole ship (Mother Earth) as my metaphor explained above... - especially since they are ALSO playing the nuke-talk-threats on a near weekly basis...
Cabins / countries on Mothership Earth can’t let the fire spread unhindered from “cabin to cabin” / region to region without the risk it spreads all over, including “cabin America”.
Thats why America, Nato and the EU are putting “firewalls” against the firestorm form where it is originating from : Russia.
So how does Russia’s version of WW3 look any different than what their doing now? Open new and multiple fronts? Deploy a naval blockade? Who reprises the role of the Axis powers? China and Iran won’t send troops. China is more likely to seize some Russia soil as to help defend it. Iran won’t even help Hamas as it slowly dies.
Oh, Russia has nukes and maybe they will use them, but admitting Ukraine won’t be the trigger. Ukraine is a tasty morsel but not worth the end of Russian civilization.
Vlad’s red lines are as consequential as Obama/Hillary/Biden’s.
I can never match your insipidness, but I try.
I like your burning cabin example. Cheers
BACKSTORY Ukraine Tried to Tip the 2016 Trump/Hillary Election in Clinton’s Favor
Evidence reveals Ukraine intervened to tilt the election in favor of its own national interests
observer.com, By Michael Sainato, 01/12/17
EDITED—Politico reported the Ukrainian Government dedicatedly worked to aid Hillary Clinton’s
2016 presidential bid. The actions taken by Ukranian government officials included
<><>disseminating false documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption
<><>first announcing they were investigating the matter,
<><>then nervously backing away after Trump defeated Hillary
<><>helping Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers.
The supposedly incriminating government documents Ukraine brought forth implicated Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, who once worked as an adviser for now-ousted Ukrainian President Viktor F. Yanukovych.
However, the concerns that the Ukranian documents raised weren’t over any quasi-Russian ties the partisan MSM rigorously reported, pushing this narrative 24/7. Rather, the dubious documents raised question about “declared income” that only the Ukraine government was ostensibly privy to WRT Manafort.
The Podesta Group, a notorious lobbying firm co-founded by Clinton Campaign Chair John Podesta, also conducted work for the Ukranian president Yanukovych but was studiously ignored. The Ukranian narrative not only painted Trump as pro-Russian, but also provided the Clinton campaign with a wholly invented “Trump smear campaign” which helpfully reaffirmed Ukraine’s stance “against Russia” and which earned Ukraine billions in US tax dollars.
It was in Ukraine’s best interest to tilt the election in support of Clinton, b/c she strongly advocated for providing Ukraine with billions of US tax dollars in military aid and financial support in order “to fight” Russian separatists then-operating in the Ukraine. Which presents the more recent US financed “Russian invasion of Ukraine” in an entirely new light.
Politico noted that Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian-American working as a consultant for DNC, met with top Ukrainian Officials in Washington D.C. about “forcing” Manafort’s resignation with the goal of cementing the Ukraine/Hillary narrative that Trump was “connected” to Russia.
Manafort was subsequently jailed and slapped into solitary confinement due to Ukranian efforts.
Both Ukranians, Chalupa, and her sister Andrea, have strongly pushed the anti-Russian narrative on social media.
Shockingly, the Ukranian sisters also advocated that the state electors of “the US electoral college defect from Trump.” The Chalupas’ outrageous elector gambit was ignored but Trump was said to have an “elector scheme.”
The report added, “Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the Trump/Hillary 2016 race strains diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections.”
In addition to the Chalupas, the co-founder and CTO of Crowdstrike, the cyber security firm that the DNC hired to investigate the alleged hacks, Dmitri Alperovitch, also serves as a senior fellow to the Washington-based think tank Atlantic Council, which is an openly anti-Russian organization.
The Atlantic Council is funded by Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, who is one of the most prolific donors to the Clinton Foundation. The DNC denied multiple requests from the FBI to access their servers, effectively forcing the FBI to rely on CrowdStrike’s assessment of the hacks.
The Ukranian-centered Atlantic Council has propagated anti-Russian sentiment and advocated for bolstering NATO forces in anticipation of a Ukranian military conflict with Russia long before Wikileaks released emails from the DNC and Clinton Campaign Manager John Podesta.
In 2013, the Atlantic Council awarded Hillary Clinton its Distinguished International Leadership Award. In 2014, the Ukranian-biased Atlantic Council hosted one of several events with former Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who took over after pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych’s 2014 removal.
In August 2015, Politico was apparently cued to report that “Donald Trump’s favorable rhetoric to Russia was concerning to Ukraine.” The article stated, “Russia wants Trump for U.S. president; Ukraine is terrified by Trump and prefers Hillary Clinton.”
In response to their preferred candidate losing the election, Ukrainian officials were now scrambling to revert from their lobbying for Hillary Clinton and the DNC.
<><>Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko rushed to sign a $50,000-a-month contract with a US lobbying firm to set up meetings with US officials in the new Trump administration.
<><>Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, who paid Hillary to come to Ukraine for a speech, now sang a different tune and wrote an WSJ op-ed Dec 29 in which he argued that Ukraine needs “to make compromises” to establish peace with Russia.
<><>Post-election, Ukranian Pinchuk donated to Trump’s charity to try to gain the same favor and access that his donations to the “Clinton Foundation” afforded him.
<><>“The sole reason the Victor Pinchuk Foundation has reached out to President-elect Trump—as well as other world leaders—has been to promote strengthened and enduring ties between Ukraine and the West,” a spokeswoman for the Pinchuk foundation told ABC News with a straight face.
While past elections in Ukraine have been viewed as proxy battles between the US and Russia, it appears that the 2016 US presidential election faced influence from Ukraine—a beneficiary of billions of US tax dollars—attempting to influence an election outcome biased for Ukraine’s national interests, and its hungering after US foreign aid from 2016 up to and including the “Russian invasion, and into its 2023 beg-a-thons for US dollars.
You’ve had ethnic Russians living in Eastern Ukraine for ages now. Do you want to ethnically cleanse them—or just allow the Ukrainian government to keep abusing and killing them?
The Russian government is killing far more Russian-speaking Ukrainians than anybody could imagine - and has flattened one Russian-speaking Ukrainian city after another. I think you're confused. :-)
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