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Kiev Considers Big Retreat, Ukr Surrounded Avdeyevka, NATO Debacle; BRICS Outplay US, UN Backs BRICS
The Duran ^ | 12/10/2023 | Alexander Mercouris

Posted on 12/10/2023 12:20:05 PM PST by SaxxonWoods

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia; Ukraine; War
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Lot of ground covered here, I've gotten through about half of it. Some of it connects with what we have been hearing from other sources. His noting of the parallels to the Vietnam endgame are similar to mine, and too obvious to miss. He also notes Biden is desperate to not have an Ukraine fiasco happen before the election, but the US is down to sending old, poor artillery shells and Biden tying Israel and Ukraine together was a big mistake politically when it comes to funding. The part about Odessa in danger is interesting and the notion that Ukraine may retreat from all of the land it took during the counteroffensive due to lack of personnel and arms to hold it while stop the Russians elsewhere at the same time is even more interesting.
1 posted on 12/10/2023 12:20:05 PM PST by SaxxonWoods
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To: SaxxonWoods
It your supporting Ukraine it isn't looking good.
I like to mess with the clowns on this site that post ridiculous Uke propaganda.
However that region of the world has had more than their share of hardship.
War is part of our DNA. I hope this ends soon.
2 posted on 12/10/2023 12:25:49 PM PST by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you are filthy animal! )
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To: SaxxonWoods

To take Odessa the Russians would have to move a large force to Kherson, make an opposed crossing of a major river, and then drive a few hundred miles behind enemy lines to take the city. The Russians have not demonstrated any sort of capacity to do that since the start of the war.


3 posted on 12/10/2023 12:33:46 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

This was expected. The Russians know that the West has a ‘sweet spot’ for them regarding timeline - which is the time between exhaustion of weapons available for Ukraine, and significant increases in Western arms production capability, as requirements for production in West are onerous (including, now, quotas regarding Drag Queen participation on production lines, and in higher level management positions).

So the weapons for Ukraine are now exhausted and Russia has about a year before there is a significant ramp-up in production (after all, there are only so many Drag Queens to go around). Hence this is the time for them to push forward and conclude this operation.


4 posted on 12/10/2023 12:35:05 PM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: MotorCityBuck

“I hope this ends soon.”

You and I both. And I don’t care who “wins”.


5 posted on 12/10/2023 12:38:25 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Successful People Have a Sense of Gratitude. Unsuccessful People Have a Sense of Entitlement)
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To: SaxxonWoods

👍


6 posted on 12/10/2023 12:42:11 PM PST by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you are filthy animal! )
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You hope Ukraine’s borders, language and culture are genocidally erased by invading Russian Nazis? Interestingly, Marxist Democrats wish the same “ending” for us.


7 posted on 12/10/2023 12:48:00 PM PST by lodi90
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To: BobL

Interesting take, BobL.

NATO/US running short of good material to send.
Ukraine running short of men/women to fight.
Biden is desperate to not lose a “war” going into an election.

A cessation of hostilities and a “temporary” DMZ might be one way out.


8 posted on 12/10/2023 12:54:13 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Successful People Have a Sense of Gratitude. Unsuccessful People Have a Sense of Entitlement)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Thank you, useful.


9 posted on 12/10/2023 12:54:57 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Successful People Have a Sense of Gratitude. Unsuccessful People Have a Sense of Entitlement)
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To: SaxxonWoods

the neoCON scum are using the same “Domino theory” that LBJ and Macnamara used to justify their insanity in vietnam.


10 posted on 12/10/2023 12:58:19 PM PST by imabadboy99
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Ukraine is the nation full of nazis as you know, but you purposely lie when accusing Russia of being nazis?

Maybe obama’s b##ch shouldn’t have overthrown the democratically elected government of ukraine in 2014 and put that faggot globohomo zelensky in charge. Maybe the pedo president shouldn’t have been using ukraine to launder money and to do God knows what else. But faggot neoCONs don’t care about any of this. They only want what’s best for the MIC and their personal pocketbooks. Not a care int he world about the death and destruction they have caused.


11 posted on 12/10/2023 1:02:36 PM PST by imabadboy99
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“but the US is down to sending old, poor artillery shells”

Our old artillery shells are being put to good use slaughtering scads of Ruzzian barbarians in Ukraine and sending them straight to Hell where they belong!


12 posted on 12/10/2023 1:18:48 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: SaxxonWoods

Oh? It is the lisper. Idiot knows nothing. Perhaps he will eventually get one right.


13 posted on 12/10/2023 1:23:02 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: lodi90

It’s disheartening to see a FReeper who still blindly follows the swamp’s propaganda.


14 posted on 12/10/2023 1:27:05 PM PST by HalfIrish
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To: imabadboy99

You disenfranchise 40 million Ukrainians exactly as much as Marxist Democrats do to Americans.

Nazi traits of genocidal mass murder and mass destruction are in very fabric of Russian history past and present. Ignore them safely sitting in your comfy armchair today if you wish. Russia’s neighbors know their painful history and won’t be.


15 posted on 12/10/2023 1:30:41 PM PST by lodi90
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To: SaxxonWoods

“A cessation of hostilities and a “temporary” DMZ might be one way out.”

That’s a Neocon Dream at this point - to freeze the conflict - and then IMMEDIATELY put what’s left of Ukraine into NATO.

If Ukraine has basically nothing left to fight with, it’s hard to see how Russia will settle for anything less than a permanent solution to the problem.

And the two things that will be non-negotiable will be a demilitarized Ukraine (including no NATO, obviously) and a denazified Ukraine. It will have to be up to Ukraine and the West to convince Russia that they’re serious this time, or Russia will keep moving West, and may well wind up parceling out Ukraine to other countries if they have no other option to put an end to their threat.

At least that’s my take.


16 posted on 12/10/2023 1:31:48 PM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: HalfIrish

It certainly is disheartening to see some conservatives so broken and defeated that they are easily manipulated into giving aid and comfort to mass murdering KGB Kremlin filth. We’re better than that. Or we use to be, anyway.


17 posted on 12/10/2023 1:34:52 PM PST by lodi90
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To: BobL

I hope no matter the shortage of us supply that Ukrainian assassins kill many Russian troops occupying their country.


18 posted on 12/10/2023 1:45:57 PM PST by lonestar67 (America is exceptional)
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The Globohomo Empire is so tapped out it is down to sending a military aid package of 1,750 artillery shells.

https://www.rferl.org/a/germany-military-aid-package-ukraine/32722333.html


19 posted on 12/10/2023 1:56:17 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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Even the “future production increases” by the West are basically a joke compared to what Russia is already doing.

Here is production details from pro-Ukraine Twitter about just one of the Russian shell factories.

Further in the thread one of the posters lists out some of the other Russian factories which are much larger.

https://twitter.com/simpatico771/status/1732929728447644156


20 posted on 12/10/2023 2:00:55 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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