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Kamala Harris v. Gavin Newsom: The Coming Democratic Civil War
The Messenger ^ | November 25, 2023 | Keith Naughton

Posted on 11/26/2023 8:38:41 AM PST by Reno89519

The Democratic Party is united — for now. Fear and loathing of Donald Trump keeps the various Democratic factions in a precarious peace. But labor v. environment, Jewish vote v. Muslim vote, and center-left v. hardcore progressivism cannot remain at bay forever. The fiercest battle may well be the looming civil war between Vice President Kamala Harris and California Gov. Gavin Newsom for the party leadership once President Biden leaves the stage.

And it won’t be pretty.

When Biden named Harris his running mate, he conferred on her heir-apparent status. The pick made sense. VP nominees are mostly about pulling together party divisions or offsetting the nominee’s weaknesses. As an old, white male Catholic, Biden running with a minority female checked some important identity boxes. And, in 2020 with a campaign hobbled due to covid restrictions, Harris did just fine. The “not Trump” campaign worked.

However, given an opportunity to establish herself as the next Democratic hope, Harris has proven rather maladroit. Something about her isn’t quite right. Her speeches are mediocre, with poorly thought-out ad libs. Her awkwardness with voters is positively Hillary Clintonesque. After spending her life in the progressive hothouse of California, Harris has shown little ability to build appeal in the other more centrist 49 states. Given the unpleasant portfolio of illegal immigration early in the administration, she failed to distinguish herself. If she has any real policy responsibility today, it’s not apparent.

But what must rankle Harris the most and speaks to how badly she must be viewed in Democratic power corridors is the utter lack of interest in her replacing Biden on the ticket. Joe Biden’s numbers are bad, very bad. His approval has been under water for the past two years. He is running behind Trump on multiple ballot test polls — despite Trump’s myriad problems. The double-minority woman Harris replacing Biden should be the talk of the town. But it isn’t.

Her polling tells the tale: While Biden is an abysmal 14 points negative on the RealClearPolitics approval average, Harris is worse at negative 17.6 — worse than Trump (negative 16.6). In YouGov polling, Harris is 13 points down on approval (Biden is down 10 points) with just 40% approval against Biden’s 42%. She has just a 3-point lead on approval among Black voters but lags 8 points with Hispanics. Independents approve at just 26%, against Biden at 31%.

Harris should take comfort in the fact that there is nobody in the D.C. political scene that is a real threat. The most popular Democrat, Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), is even older than Biden. The septuagenarian Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is getting there. Pete Buttigieg’s (D-Ind.) tenure at Transportation has been miserable. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) and Cory Booker (D-N.J.) are nowhere to be found.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biden; democrat; harris; newsom
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To: Reno89519

You’re wrong. The Democrat party is ALL about identity politics. That is at its core. And are you forgetting who rescued Joe Biden in 2020? It was black women in South Carolina. He won that primary, and all of a sudden everyone else got the word and stepped aside.

No way those same black women who propped up Joe Biden are going to let another white man steal Kamala’s thunder. It’s HER time, and THEIR time, and they aren’t going down without a vicious fight.


21 posted on 11/26/2023 9:10:02 AM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: Reno89519

Mirror mirror on the wall,
Who’s the most malicious self-serving liar of them all?


22 posted on 11/26/2023 9:10:16 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: All

Here’s a beauty Repub candidates can use to trip up an unsuspecting liberal Dem.

Man, the nuances here are beautiful.

A liberal virtue signalling sexual-assault group director
<><>was fired for simply signing a letter
<><>the letter was written by various sexual assault organizations
<><>in it they blatantly denied Israeli women were sexually violated by Hamas terrorists.


23 posted on 11/26/2023 9:11:27 AM PST by Liz (Women have tremendous power — their femininity, because men can't do without it. Sidney Sheldon)
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To: brownsfan

On paper at least it would be harder to argue anyone has ever been more qualified than Joe Biden given his time in government. But, he’s always been an idiot. And now he’s a cadaverous idiot. That part nullifies everything else.


24 posted on 11/26/2023 9:11:55 AM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: Reno89519
This assumes she is so petty as to play the race card, even if it blows up the demoncrap party.

Heh heh, yeah she totally is.

25 posted on 11/26/2023 9:12:38 AM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: All

I kid you not: the words “cease fire” are now
considered “anti-semitic,” viewed as hatred of Jews.

Would be a cinch for a Repub to get sap-happy
Kamala or Gov Nuisance to utter the words.


26 posted on 11/26/2023 9:15:13 AM PST by Liz (Women have tremendous power — their femininity, because men can't do without it. Sidney Sheldon)
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To: Reno89519

27 posted on 11/26/2023 9:17:02 AM PST by dead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_vFiUUcBkc)
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To: dead

Please tell me that is not real!


28 posted on 11/26/2023 9:19:29 AM PST by Reno89519 (It's war. No one murders and takes Americans hostage. Time to act. Declare war on Islamic Hamas.)
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To: Reno89519
The Party Central Committee has already chosen.
29 posted on 11/26/2023 9:20:02 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: All

This speaks to how badly Kamala is viewed in Dem circles:
the utter lack of interest in her replacing Biden on the ticket.
<><>Joe Biden’s numbers are bad, very bad.
<><>His approval has been under water for the past two years.
<><>He is running behind Trump on multiple ballot test polls
<><>this despite the myriad problems Biden’s inflicted on Trump.

The double-minority woman Harris replacing Biden should be the talk of the town. But it isn’t.

Her polling tells the tale: While Biden is an abysmal 14 points negative on the RealClearPolitics approval average, Harris is worse at negative 17.6 — worse than Trump (negative 16.6).


30 posted on 11/26/2023 9:21:09 AM PST by Liz (Women have tremendous power — their femininity, because men can't do without it. Sidney Sheldon)
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To: Reno89519

Just for fun, I’ve been following the betting odds for the 2024 Democrat nomination. Biden is the favorite by a wide margin. What about Michelle? She’s a long shot. As of today, bet $100 on Michelle, and if she’s the nominee you get paid $1500.

Yes, Michelle is lazy. But I can see the DNC persuading her to run if the polls show that only she can beat Trump. So if I had to bet today, I’d put $100 on Michelle.

https://www.oddsshark.com/politics/democratic-nominee-odds


31 posted on 11/26/2023 9:21:25 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Reno89519

If he dares run against a woman, that makes him a misogynist!

If he dares run against a black, that makes him a racist!

Running against Commie-La makes him a racist misogynist!


32 posted on 11/26/2023 9:25:19 AM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Finish the damned WALL! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH!)
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To: Reno89519
Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) and Cory Booker (D-N.J.) are nowhere to be found.

LOL! What a mess that party is. America's Lunch Lady and a barely closeted puffball with an imaginary gangster friend.

33 posted on 11/26/2023 9:25:56 AM PST by dead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_vFiUUcBkc)
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To: eyeamok

The ho and the mo are probably equal in the number of times they’ve bent over.


34 posted on 11/26/2023 9:31:22 AM PST by Wilderness Conservative (Nature is the ultimate conservative)
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To: Reno89519

That would be good. They need to be fractured.

We’ll see if it happens of they hold their noses and support whoever is put forth because they consider the alternative worse.


35 posted on 11/26/2023 9:33:12 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: Reno89519

Newsom is already tacking. He’s voted a couple of nutball pieces of legislation that a year ago, he would probably have rubberstamped enthusiastically. He is not credible as a born again moderate dem to anyone who has been paying attention, but that is a tiny fraction of the voters. All he needs to do is give the media a couple of talking points, and the media will sell whatever the pollsters tell them to sell.


36 posted on 11/26/2023 9:36:49 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Reno89519

Heard a local radio show, somebody hosting— interviewing the “independent” RFK,Jr. Very clever responses from RFK,Jr, particularly on foreign policy and Israel. His parking place until the idiot harris and the vile tyrant Newsome can destroy each other. JoeBama will NOT make it to nomination. And obamaumao is no longer wearing his wedding ring, apparaently- not since the “death of the chef”. So- track moochelle everyone, who says she doesn’t want it— the worlds first hermaphrodite/tranny “female in name only”.. ton ton macoute Papa Doc Duvalier “present dent” on the cover of Women’s Daily. Utter lunacy and...fraud.


37 posted on 11/26/2023 9:40:57 AM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Reno89519

It could not be in DC— buildings cannot rise above a certain height, number of stories, etc. inside DC.

But it is a clever photoshop design, only surpassed with kamala building with “its” “legs” spread wide in the air—again another fantasy. sorry no photoshop of this.


38 posted on 11/26/2023 9:44:17 AM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: hinckley buzzard

You can even dry it- and shellac it shiny for the morons in the demonrat mob of morons. Add digital fake votes and voila!

This is what used to be called a hobo cluster...f...!


39 posted on 11/26/2023 9:46:18 AM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: No name given
Others believe Hitlery may try again.

The election is less than a year away. Hillary (who will be 77 on Election Day) is not doing any of the things that a presidential candidate would be doing. For that matter, neither is Michelle Obama.

Gavin Newsom is running a stealth campaign, meeting with foreign leaders, participating in debates, and showing up for televised interviews (I was stunned when Newsom sat down with Sean Hannity).

It's my half-baked conspiracy theory that once Trump earns the GOP nomination, the Democrats are going to quietly swap out Biden/Harris with Newsom/???.

Gavin Newsom is acting like a presidential candidate, even as he denies this. Hillary and Michelle Obama are not. He is certainly not immune to the chatter as well as Biden's cratering poll numbers.

The Democrats will not risk a second Trump presidency and they will coalesce around the candidate they believe has the best chance of beating him. Biden will step aside for health reasons and Harris will be offered some lucrative consulting gig for millions. They're both good Democrats and they'll accept their walking papers for the good of the party.

40 posted on 11/26/2023 9:49:18 AM PST by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President. A conservative who fights and wins..)
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