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To: Jim W N

“That’s like saying all the DWI traffic offenders are uncountable to the DWI traffic laws. Makes no sense.“

No, it’s like saying if you outlaw guns, then only outlaws have guns - and it makes perfect sense.

The unconstitutional permanent bureaucracy is on our soil, but make no mistake - they are the enemy - just like any foreign enemy. They have not agreed, nor do they have any intention of abiding by our Constitution.

Expecting them to is naive. They need to be treated like the enemy and removed by force. They must not be allowed to seek protection under Constitutional laws, which means we are not obligated to afford them rights under the Constitution.

The only Constitutional process for removing the 80% illegitimate federal bureaucracy (including 80% of the DOJ, FBI, CIA. NSA, and DOD, would be for the Supreme Court to rule that they are unconstitutional and that they should pack up and leave.

If you think they would obey such a SCOTUS ruling and leave peacefully, you are sadly mistaken. They don’t respect our Constitution and therefore don’t respect our SC. They won’t leave without a fight - and there’s a good chance they would win such a fight - because our side has too many like you who want to fight by the Rules of Queensberry.


73 posted on 11/18/2023 7:49:35 PM PST by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: enumerated
The only Constitutional process for removing the 80% illegitimate federal bureaucracy (including 80% of the DOJ, FBI, CIA. NSA, and DOD, would be for the Supreme Court to rule that they are unconstitutional and that they should pack up and leave.

Congress could eliminate or rein in these agencies if they had the political will to do so. But it should be pretty apparent that Congress has farmed out much of its “law making” authority to the Executive. Congress should write good legislation. That’s not to say there won’t be situations that Congress didn’t consider. But right now and for the past 40+ years, the Executive has used Chevron deference like a bull in a china shop to shape and craft policy.

Congress currently simply isn’t up to the task of being… Congress.

75 posted on 11/19/2023 4:56:23 AM PST by Fury
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To: enumerated
Well it looks like you're almost there. (Not sure where you get that I think these nasty unconstitutional bureaucratic agencies are somehow patriotic. If they were, they would fold up operations of themselves.)

The unconstitutional permanent bureaucracy...have not agreed, nor do they have any intention of abiding by our Constitution.

Of course unconstitutional bureaucracies should be not expected to abide by the Constitution - otherwise they would be an oxymoron.

They need to be treated like the enemy and removed by force

Agreed. Unconstitutional bureaucracies need to be DISMANTLED.

The only Constitutional process for removing the 80% illegitimate federal bureaucracy...would be for the Supreme Court to rule that they are unconstitutional and that they should pack up and leave.

The Supreme Court can legitimately try cases in which the U.S. is a party, so it is empowered to deal with unconstitutional federal laws and acts. But what if instead, the Supreme Court not only does not rule against unconstitutional federal laws and acts, but the Supreme Court itself makes unconstitutional decisions with no sound constitutional basis like what has been happening for about 120 years?

The Constitution declares that the only legitimate federal laws and acts (including the Supreme Court) are those "pursuant" to the Constitution (Art. VI, Cl. 2). The Supreme Court is part of the federal government and is subject to The Supreme Law of the Land, the Constitution. The Constitution offers no process to deal with a rogue federal government including the Supreme Court as we have today.

This is where people get of the track.

People need to review the 9th and 10th Amendments and the principles of the Declaration of Independence. The feds have no "inherent" powers. They ONLY legally have those enumerated powers delegated by the federal government. The all powers remaining are "RETAINED" by the people. Outside of true constitutional limits, the American People have the final say and their power is through their states.

So whatever it takes. Removing the unconstitutional portion of the feds should be done either by parotitic officials in any or all of the three branches of the feds or by the constitutionally sovereign States and the people.

79 posted on 11/19/2023 8:00:01 AM PST by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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