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Climate change is hastening the demise of Pacific Northwest forests (aka, "Firmageddon")
Oregon Public Broadcasting ("OPB") / Columbia Insight ^ | November 17, 2023 | Nathan Gilles

Posted on 11/18/2023 8:26:08 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom

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To: Eva

Small young trees don’t do well next to giants as they are constantly shaded and nutrient-starved by the Big Guy.

Healthy forests have trees spaced out 30 to 50 ft apart and no understory growth.

Unhealthy forests are packed with closely-spaced trees and choked out with heavy understory growth.

The forestry people in Idaho are constantly thinning out the trees and removing the understory.

We did a wonderful tour to Glacier National Park a year ago and took a boat tour of Lake McDonald. The young man who narrated the tour was incredibly intelligent and talked a lot about the devasting “Howe Ridge Fire on the lake. It was ignited by a thunderstorm on the evening of August 11, 2018 and burned 15,000 acres.

What always strikes you about these events is the succession forests that grow back. The species that burned does not grow back, but other species that are more suitable to the now-open landscape which gets different amounts of sun and water as well as different minerals resulting from the fire ash.

Forest species succession has been around forever.


21 posted on 11/18/2023 8:54:56 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
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Seasonal Climate Forecast Nov. 2023 – Jan. 2024 Issued: October 19, 2023

22 posted on 11/18/2023 8:57:54 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: ridesthemiles
Three little trees don’t need much space. The idea is that one will likely make it to maturity. Thinning (of the smallest) and animal destruction take a toll. There is no canopy after logging, unless it’s done to leave some biodiversity. If hardwoods are left, there’s plenty of light, especially in the winter.

Doug fir is a great source of lumber in older trees. Straight, vertical grain fir is beautiful. But, that’s not a commercially viable product. It has to be sourced from old growth timber or recycled wood.

23 posted on 11/18/2023 8:58:07 AM PST by gundog (It was a bright cold eday in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The author forgot to mention that part of the reason for less rain in 2022-2023 has been colder than normal temperatures.

In Seattle, we had near record low average temps in Feb-Mar-Apr.

October and November have also been cooler than average.

For those five months, we have had near record cold Pacific Ocean water pressed against our shore line, which disrupts our normal rain making weather systems.

My point...

Global warming?

Nope. More like global cooling.

The drought in Seattle is moderate.

About 20% below normal for 2023.

And, slightly above average since October, which is the start of our rainy season.


24 posted on 11/18/2023 8:59:22 AM PST by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: ridesthemiles

Our house was built 30 years ago and whoever built it planted four stands of way too many tightly packed fir, spruce, and Ponderosa Pine trees. Today, there are evident health problems (exacerbated by drought).

A later owner planted a dogwood and two firs very close to the house (like 1 to 2 feet from the foundation). In our five years here, they have grown about about a foot per year and had reached 10 - 20 feet in height. I cut them down in July this year.

It’s astonishing how even “professional” landscapers don’t understand trees.


25 posted on 11/18/2023 9:00:21 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: PIF

Yup.

All the crap the weather geo engineers use to seed the clouds isn’t good for the soil water trees or any life form either.


26 posted on 11/18/2023 9:01:00 AM PST by cuz1961 (USCGR Vet, John Adams Descendant , deal with it.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Tree
Lives
Matter
27 posted on 11/18/2023 9:06:43 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: ridesthemiles

Douglas Fir is a ratty little weed, IMO, until i gets to be over 60 feet tall, and that doesn’t come close to happening in modern silviculture. There’s some forest land, well, everywhere, here, but the spot I’m thinking of is on Highway 42 in Oregon. It was planted sometime in the ‘80s, I think. When last harvested, I noticed they’d left a “log” laying over the stump of a tree that had been harvested a couple of cycles ago. It may have been from virgin forest first cut in the ‘20s or ‘30s. The new tree looked like a wilted carrot laying across that stump.


28 posted on 11/18/2023 9:10:02 AM PST by gundog (It was a bright cold eday in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

No, poor forestry management is…


29 posted on 11/18/2023 9:22:12 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Weyhauser was not available for comment.


30 posted on 11/18/2023 9:22:13 AM PST by Mouton (US Home to one party rule)
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To: goodnesswins

Old growth forests are best either managed selectively cut or clear cut and replanted.


31 posted on 11/18/2023 9:31:27 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: ridesthemiles

The damage those things have done to the forest is Arizona is unreal.


32 posted on 11/18/2023 9:36:02 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ('Build Back Better' is a Bidenskyyyyyyism for 'we gotta get rid of all dem white peoples'.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Total nonsense. I live in the middle of those fir forests, and I’m here to tell you that there is no climate change going on.

I keep records of temperature and precipitation in my yard, and there have been only minor variations in the past ten years. There are certainly no trees dying from drought.


33 posted on 11/18/2023 9:36:53 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

OFFS! Fidiots. You know what doesn’t care about their proclamations? The climate doesn’t care.


34 posted on 11/18/2023 9:38:10 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉! 🇮🇱👍!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Periodic droughts are very very normal and have nothing to do with the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.


35 posted on 11/18/2023 9:47:29 AM PST by devere
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Oh just STFU! No one believes you.


36 posted on 11/18/2023 10:39:39 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Nothing like the sound of a chainsaw in the morning! Somebody’s getting a new house and deer are getting better habitat


37 posted on 11/18/2023 10:44:17 AM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Bark Beetle damage is all over the west. It is horrible to see. The worst I’ve seen is in the Rockies north of Denver.


38 posted on 11/18/2023 11:03:29 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: PGR88

-in the Pacific Northwest have been dying because of climate-induced drought.

“Tell them “the forests are dying!”

But not because of drought.

Drought is a prolonged period of abnormally low rainfall, leading to a shortage of water. It is also when the ground water that feeds the land and, in this case, trees goes away.

Precipitation trends are changing throughout the region. In Idaho, Oregon, and Washington, recent years have seen a reduction in summer precipitation and an increase in winter and spring precipitation. More winter precipitation is now falling as rain rather than snow due to warmer temperatures. Those warmer temperatures are a 2 degree increase since 1900. So the snow pack still exists, the lakes never dry up, the streams and rivers continue to flow...where’s the drought? It’s in someone’s mind trying to con the public into glabal warming problems.

wy69


39 posted on 11/18/2023 11:07:04 AM PST by whitney69 (yption tunnels)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I live in Western Wa, we have record amounts of rainfall. Believe me, last year about this time I was in Port Orchard visiting grandkids and fixing the furnace. When it was time to go home, of course it was raining...it is Washington. 90 miles south where I live, the interstate was blocked off because of flooding. Of course, being a local I drove around the cones and came to my exit. I got home to my permanent winter lake of a driveway. Got my things to head back to my daughters and had to reroute, the main road was now about 18 inches of running river water.

The point is, trees are dying all around. My theory is something is being sprayed from the sky. I know people call it a conspiracy theory, but chemtrails are a real phenomenom. They are likely spraying defoliants or something to dry out vegetation. We have plenty of water, then why is the foliage on trees drying up? The grass is green on the ball fields, but a lot of evergreens look like they have given up on life. Instead of green needles, they look blackish from a short distance. It is NOT because of a 1 or 2 degree increase in overall temperature. That is silly. Something vile and corrupt is going on with government. What WOULDN’T they do to force us into a gulag? My answer is NOTHING. They would do anything for their plan.


40 posted on 11/18/2023 11:45:58 AM PST by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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