HOW THE UNITED STATES AND ITS NATO ALLIES SABOTAGED PEACE BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE

Sonar 21 ^ | 14 Nov 23 | Larry Johnson

[delta7]

The truth was known to a few of us, the collective West narrative was false, a lie…..senile Joe and his western MSM once again bamboozled many ignorant Americans……..war cheerleaders, do realize you lose, as should be.

The shame is this Ukie war has initiated the upcoming “ irrelevance “ of the US in the world…..welcome to the new world…..the decline of the West. Thanks Joe ( and war cheerleaders).

[NoLibZone]

[kiryandil]

IATAN - In After The Angry Neocons

[pierrem15]

Complete nonsense: the cowards in DC were prepared to write-off Ukraine completely— that’s why they offered Zelensky a ride out shortly after the war started.

[amnestynone]

There will never be peace with Russia until Russia is defeated and defeated completely. They are a ruthless predatory warmongering people who can only change by going through the catharsis of defeat like Nazi Germany and Japan did.

[cabojoe]

There goes the Zeeper narrative...

[Governor Dinwiddie]

Uh huh. Whatever.

[freeandfreezing]

So what Russian military disaster has prompted this round of posting stories from Russian propagandists?

Do you think the discovery of Russian atrocities against Ukrainian civilians at that time might have had something to do with the possibility of a peace deal?

[freeandfreezing]

"Putin ordered the withdrawal of Russian forces starting on April 1, 2022 as a good faith gesture"

Nonsense. The Russians only withdrew from areas where their troops were unable to maintain their positions due to the loss of logistical support routes. And they were driven out, they didn't just get up and leave.

This is the kind of ridiculous Russian propaganda that only poorly informed Russians fall for.

[CapandBall]

Lol, this theater? You know he’s an actor reading from a script, right? Seriously… look it up. He stared in a Ukraine sit-com: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servant_of_the_People_(2015_TV_series)

[Paal Gulli]

TYPING IN ALL CAPS IS

Neither your headline nor your post deserve any more attention than anyone else's, and most of the rest have the common courtesy not to shout for no reason.

[Right_Wing_Madman]

So what Russian military disaster has prompted this round of posting stories from Russian propagandists?

It's almost over. We're in the how will Ukraine manage its defeat stage. Your Ukraine response was as bad as COVID response. Just total incompetence.

[roving]

This could have been done and over a year ago. But Biden still had money to launder.

[sauropod]

Bkmk

[McGruff]

April 1, 2022 — Putin orders Russian troops to initiate withdrawal from Kiev and Kharkiv in show of good faith in accordance with the armistice agreed to in Istanbul.

It wasn't a retreat.

[cabojoe]

Follow the link, he merely cut and pasted the headline as it was.

[piasa]

Larry Johnson wouldn’t know truth if it slapped him upside the head.

Since at least 1999, the twat has been delusionally downplaying the threat of Islamic terrorism. In 1999 on PBS he claimed that the threat posed by Osama bin Laden was overblown. Now, that’s a year after al Qaeda bombed two US embassies and killed hundreds. That’s a year before al Qaeda blew a hole in the side of the USS Cole and half a year before they almost blew a hole in the hull of the USS The Sullivans. He called warnings about the rising threat of Islamism and al Qaeda “crying wolf.”

The dumbass even played down the Islamist threat a couple months before 911 in an article for the NY Times - July 10, 2001:

“...Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States .... they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism .... None of these beliefs are based in fact.”

Larry is also knoen as a promoter of a scumbag named Joseph Wilson, the late former ambassador to Gabon, known for his tea-swilling vacation in Niger trying to run interference for Saddam Hussein, cuddling up to Hillary Clinton’s uranium mine ambitions, and for being the spouse of the now also deceased silly aas Global Zero promoter Valerie Plame, who we were told was a super dooper “deep cover” pregnant CIA spy (seeking to run for office out west).

Now, none of this foreign agentlike behavior on the part of Larry should surprise us, since he has been a writer blowing snow for Russia Today as well as getting published in the NyTimes.... he runs the same circles as Ray McGovern’s VIPS.

[cabojoe]

Here’s the version that Larry Johnson got probably got this article from: https://braveneweurope.com/michael-von-der-schulenburg-hajo-funke-harald-kujat-peace-for-ukraine Try to find something wrong with these authors...

[rxh4n1]

“There will never be peace with Russia until Russia is defeated and defeated completely. They are a ruthless predatory warmongering people who can only change by going through the catharsis of defeat like Nazi Germany and Japan did.”

Oh yeah? You and what army. Ukraine can’t do it. That means NATO (the USA). Take your warmongering elsewhere.

[Right_Wing_Madman]

Larry Johnson wouldn’t know truth if it slapped him upside the head.

How long have you been under a rock? We've known since May 2022 that Boris Johnson killed the Istanbul peace deal when he met with Zelensky in April.

Boris Johnson Pressured Zelenskyy to Ditch Peace Talks With Russia: Ukrainian Paper May 06, 2022

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/boris-johnson-pressured-zelenskyy-ditch-peace-talks-russia-ukrainian-paper

Even famed neocon, Fiona Hill, admitted that Joe Biden and Boris Johnson undermined the deal.

The World Putin Wants: How Distortions About the Past Feed Delusions About the Future August 25, 2022.

"in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement"

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/russian-federation/world-putin-wants-fiona-hill-angela-stent

Larry Johnson cites the New Brave Europe article, published a week ago, that covers the sabotage timeline in previously unseen detail.