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If Palestinians Really Wanted Peace And Prosperity, They’d Already Have It
The Federalist ^
| 11/08/23
| David Harsanyi
Posted on 11/08/2023 7:27:31 AM PST by SeekAndFind
They chose violence. Over and over again.

In 2005, Palestinian Arabs were given autonomy over the Gaza Strip for the first time in their history. To make it happen, the Israeli government forcibly removed thousands of Israelis from the area. Without military protection, Jews would be murdered by Palestinians, who prefer their land Judenfrei.
As Jews were being evicted from their homes, some began to dismantle the farms and hothouses they’d built, reluctant to hand over years of hard work. In the name of peace, however, American Jewish donors purchased the 3,000 remaining greenhouses that stood over 1,000 acres for $14 million and gave it to the Palestinian Authority, gratis. A large portion of the donations were earmarked for “crucial equipment like computerized irrigation systems” and other modern farming systems for Palestinians.
As soon as the Jews were gone, mobs of Palestinians showed up and broke windows, stole irrigation hoses, water pumps, and everything else they could get their hands on, destroying everything they could, as “police” stood by and watched. This happened before Hamas came to power. Before any blockades.
By 2007, the unity government between the PLO and Hamas had fallen apart after the latter won a landslide election in 2006 and began defenestrating its political opponents. It was a warning. There has not been a real election in the West Bank since. And it’s a good thing because Islamists would surely grab power there as they had in Gaza. Joe Biden likes to say that Hamas doesn’t speak for Palestinians, but the ugly truth is that Hamas is a far better ambassador of the Palestinian people than the “moderate” Fatah party, which we prop up with billions of dollars.
I thought about all this when reading Sen. Rand Paul’s hopelessly naïve piece in The Federalist today. Paul contends that peace between Israel and Arabs is contingent on promised “prosperity” for Palestinians. He mentions the word “prosperity” eight times, in fact, contending that “non-Hamas Palestinians must hear a message of hope of what could come if they renounced violence.” The libertarian senator then unsheathes this pollyannaish suggestion: “[I]nstead of dropping leaflets to a million Palestinians to flee or be bombed, perhaps we might consider leaflets announcing the prosperity and benefits if they choose a government that recognizes Israel and renounces violence.”
Palestinians have been hearing this message nonstop since 1948 — if not since the 1920s. Many of the Arabs who immigrated to British Palestine from Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere were lured by the promise of the “prosperity” that was being created by Jewish newcomers. Once there, fueled by the propaganda and lies of their leaders, they created an intractable situation. Before there were any “open-aired prisons” or “occupied territories,” there was terrorism and massacres of Jews. And, still, when offered a state in 1948, with the promise of self-determination and prosperity, they rejected it and tried to annihilate the region’s Jews.
Paul’s belief that Palestinians are itching for “prosperity” is reminiscent of the neocons’ belief that the Islamic world was longing for Western-style “democracy.” No doubt, many innocent civilians are interested in peace and safety. But for most, the frame of thinking about the world and the logic employed to make sense of it are on a different wavelength. If they weren’t, Palestinians would have built a prosperous nation a long time ago. They had every chance to do it.
Palestinian statehood was on the table after the 1967 and 1973 wars, and in the early 1990s and the early 2000s, and a bunch of times in between. It was offered in exchange for the recognition of Israel and the renouncement of violence. Just as it didn’t happen then, it can’t happen now. No Palestinian leader can agree to a deal on statehood because they would surely be deposed and murdered. The Palestinians self-destructively embrace of the “right to return” (an idea tied to the historical myth of “Nakba”) and/or Islamist fundamentalism makes peace virtually impossible.
But what’s stopped the Arabs of Gaza or the “West Bank” from achieving prosperity? There are hundreds of stateless minorities in the world. Very few turn to violence. Many thrive. The Jews and Arabs lived in similarly desolate places before the partition, but in the decades since, Israel’s GDP per capita has risen to be on par with South Korea, Spain, and France. Jordan is on par with El Salvador, Namibia. Egypt is on par with Mongolia and Gabon. Is that also the fault of Zionists?
Indeed, like any free nation, Israel makes mistakes, but the idea that it stands in the way of Palestinian success due to bigotry or colonialist intentions or a racial grudge is a paranoiac conspiracy spread by Middle East leaders and Western intellectuals. They would like nothing more than a peaceful neighbor.
Every Israeli restriction on Gazans has been implemented as a reaction to violence by Gazans. When you send Gaza concrete, they don’t build skyscrapers, they build tunnels and military bases under hospitals. They tear down streetlight poles and dig up water pipes to make casements for rockets. Tens of thousands of them. When you allow shipments of necessities, they smuggle in explosives and weapons from Iran.
Gazans are unwilling to build the basic infrastructure necessary for themselves despite receiving hundreds of millions in aid. Israel can only cut power off in Gaza because Israeli power companies provide that electricity (often for free.) The same goes for clean water. Gaza water comes through pipelines from Israeli desalination plants. The notion that Israel is engaged in “genocide,” as you can see, is preposterous in every conceivable way.
Perhaps the only way to implement hope and “prosperity” for the Palestinians is to tighten the occupation of Gaza and create basic civic institutions that make it possible. If, as many Democrats claim, Hamas is not the true agent of the Palestinian people then Israel would be liberating them from a violent cult. But, of course, this would be met with condemnation from the world — not to mention it would mean Israel putting its own citizens’ lives in danger.
Rather, Israel is asked to create an independent state for a people who are incapable of living in peace with Jews, or anyone else. A Gazan nation would be a place where Iran sends deadlier missiles and, one day, nuclear weapons. At this point, acquiescing to any independent Palestinian state would be suicide for the Jewish state. No responsible nation would do it. And a leaflet isn’t going to change anything.
David Harsanyi is a senior editor at The Federalist, a nationally syndicated columnist, a Happy Warrior columnist at National Review, and author of five books—the most recent, Eurotrash: Why America Must Reject the Failed Ideas of a Dying Continent.
TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hamas; israel; palestine; terrorism
To: SeekAndFind
NONE OF THEIR FELLOW MUSLIMS WANT THEM!
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posted on
11/08/2023 7:30:06 AM PST
by
Ann Archy
(Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
To: SeekAndFind
Posted this in another thread, but it fits here too. The palis do NOT want peace, they want israel initiated
“They have brought their own “plight” upon themselves- they are such horrid people that noone in the middle east will hive them any land to establish their own nation. Muslim nations own million and million of acres of land, while Israel own a tiny chunk of land the size of NJ, and that enrwges the palestinians to no end. They have been offered peace many times and have rejected it because they want land that is close to Israel so they can continue their hatred against her in a more strategic area.
Israel is a tiny tiny nation- the middle east is humongous- but the palis can’t stand Israel owning even that small amount of land that they do. They don’t want peace- they want to own everything right up to the sea for themselves by annihilating israel
I have no sympathy for them at all. They could have land anywhere in the millions of acreas of Muslim owned land if they weren’t so radical and offensive, but, they are so bad that not even Muslim nations want them anywhere near them”
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posted on
11/08/2023 7:47:34 AM PST
by
Bob434
To: SeekAndFind
They can't live next door to Jooze.
The solution is NOT to browbeat the Jews into accommodating them because it will never happen. The solution is to deport them to trailer trash Arab country like Somalia.
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posted on
11/08/2023 7:57:14 AM PST
by
Vigilanteman
(The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
To: SeekAndFind
The. leaders took the prosperity
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posted on
11/08/2023 7:58:26 AM PST
by
mountainlion
(Live well those that did not make it back.)
To: SeekAndFind
They chose poorly. Deliver their justice swiftly.
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posted on
11/08/2023 8:17:17 AM PST
by
showme_the_Glory
(No more rhyming, and I mean it.........)
To: SeekAndFind
It’s much easier to blame all your problems and failings on an outsider, i.e. the Israelis - than it is to build a working functioning law-abiding society. And I note that any Arab leader that tries to do such is usually quickly eliminated.
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posted on
11/08/2023 9:09:15 AM PST
by
Rummyfan
(In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man)
To: SeekAndFind
Their society and culture produces nothing but killers and academics who bemoan the existence of Israel. Even that toy AK the boy is holding - they can’t make that themselves.
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posted on
11/08/2023 9:10:51 AM PST
by
Rummyfan
(In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man)
To: SeekAndFind
As Jews were being evicted from their homes, some began to dismantle the farms and hothouses they’d built, reluctant to hand over years of hard work. In the name of peace, however, American Jewish donors purchased the 3,000 remaining greenhouses that stood over 1,000 acres for $14 million and gave it to the Palestinian Authority, gratis. A large portion of the donations were earmarked for “crucial equipment like computerized irrigation systems” and other modern farming systems for Palestinians.As soon as the Jews were gone, mobs of Palestinians showed up and broke windows, stole irrigation hoses, water pumps, and everything else they could get their hands on, destroying everything they could, as “police” stood by and watched. This happened before Hamas came to power. Before any blockades.
As Mark Steyn said, if you gave the Palestinians - or whatever you want to call them - Switzerland, they'd turn it into a sewer in five years.
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posted on
11/08/2023 9:13:11 AM PST
by
Rummyfan
(In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man)
To: Rummyfan
than it is to build a working functioning law-abiding society They had almost all of a working functioning peaceable society handed to them on a silver platter ...
And they bloody well DESTROYED it.
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posted on
11/08/2023 9:15:29 AM PST
by
NorthMountain
(... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
To: SeekAndFind
I thought about all this when reading Sen. Rand Paul’s hopelessly naïve piece in The Federalist today. Paul contends that peace between Israel and Arabs is contingent on promised “prosperity” for Palestinians. Senator Paul should realize that the olive branch hasn't worked in the Middle East in over 2000 years. Why should it now? As Golda Meir said, peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews.
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posted on
11/08/2023 9:15:34 AM PST
by
Rummyfan
(In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized of man)
To: SeekAndFind
Unconditional surrender and the people must know they’ve been defeated. Israel makes a permanent base within and uses their intelligence services to root out insurgents.
That’s what the US did with Germany and Japan. We still have a base in Okinawa and got out of Germany after 50 years. Germany and Japan seem pretty friendly now.
Perhaps more apropos for Israel however, is the situation of the Brits and Northern Ireland. 600 years of strife largely continued because the Irish were not allowed to own land. I don’t know when that changed, but this economic difference is probably along the lines Rand is thinking about. The Irish civil war in the 1920s is what gave them Northern Ireland vs the Independent Irish Republic to the south. We pretty much have this today in the West Bank (Gaza was prematurely given more independence in 2005 and we see how stupid that was).
The Irish Nationalists and English Loyalists in NI continued to hate each other after the war and the government there was militarized under the Royal Ulster Constabulary, which was basically British army. If the Israelis are allowed to beat Hamas and camp out to root out the crap, we will have this situation.
Even though the IRA became marxist during the decade before the civil war under Connolly, they sprung up with new commie vigor during the 70s as the Provisional IRA (”Provos”) with Gerry Adams as their political face in Sinn Fein. I suspect the “vigor” came from China due to the Viet Nam war (money and support run through Libya). Across the globe at that time there were many marxist paramilitaries cropping up, like the RAF in Germany, AIM in the US, and even the Basques in Spain became more active again. Notice how most Democrats like Hillary admire Mao, not Stalin?
What ultimately made the Provos happy was giving them a seat in the British Parliament. This caused an IRA split (one of many throughout history) so there was still some continued terrorist activity, though markedly less than the early 70s. This is the stumbling block w/Muslims. While Sinn Fein was looking for independence, they weren’t on a mission to annihilate all Brits. Until the Muslims get off that kick (or Israel is eliminated), this step will never be reached.
Since the RUC remained in place in the 80s there was still a lot of resentment. This was largely due to what we see in the US now w/a two-tier justice system, where crimes of Nationalists were persecuted while many crimes by Loyalists were not. It wasn’t until after the Good Friday agreement in the 90s where the RUC was removed and the Police Services of Northern Ireland was established, did things really cool off. The PSNI were local folks and much more even handed with “blind” justice.
This too caused an IRA split and there was one major bombing shortly afterwards in Omagh, but barring that, the IRA is now largely occupied with maintaining its criminal enterprises established as funding mechanisms when Provos and Libya money went away. It is now not much more than an Irish mafia running rackets involving prostitution, alcohol, tobacco, and red diesel (they tend to kill drug dealers). They still use the same ol’ propaganda for recruits, but there is not much in the way of actual anti-government violence if any.
And yes, there is still Catholic/Protestant hatred, but it is more political segregation than physical violence. Each side still conducts “in your face” parades celebrating historical events and heros and some neighborhoods still have “peace walls”.
So Gaza? Again - unconditional surrender. Root out the remaining insurgents (and I’d say hitting Iran if need be for that) and maybe in a few decades, if they behave, they can be reintroduced to society at large with government input and policing like in NI.
But it WON’T be soon and would depend ENTIRELY on their behavior. Today’s work is to ensure they are CRUSHED.
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posted on
11/08/2023 9:17:48 AM PST
by
fruser1
To: Rummyfan
promised “prosperity” Sorry, Senator, but it doesn't work that way. People have to make prosperity for themselves; it can't be given to them. Our own "inner cities" bear witness to this fact. The crime and squalor found there show that some people reject prosperity, and will destroy the trappings of prosperity when given the opportunity.
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posted on
11/08/2023 9:19:12 AM PST
by
NorthMountain
(... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
To: SeekAndFind
The Jews have offered the Israeli Arabs a 2-state solution on several occasions, and each time made the offer dependent on the Arabs acknowledging the legitimacy of the Israeli government and right of the Jews to exist.
Each time the Arabs refused, promising instead to drive the Jews into the sea.
Great 12-minute explanation of 100+ years of violence over Palestine and the State of Israel:
https://gulfcoastcommentary.substack.com/p/debunking-the-palestine-lie
To: threefinger
RE: The Jews have offered the Israeli Arabs a 2-state solution on several occasions, and each time made the offer dependent on the Arabs acknowledging the legitimacy of the Israeli government and right of the Jews to exist.
Here’s the problem...
The two-state solution has been proposed by various Israeli governments since the 1960s, and formally adopted by both Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in the 1993 Oslo Accords. However, there have been numerous attempts to negotiate a two-state agreement, and none have been successful. As a result, it is difficult to say definitively how many times Israel has offered Palestinians a two-state solution.
The most recent offer of a two-state solution came in 2008, when Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert presented a proposal to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. The Olmert Plan called for the establishment of a Palestinian state within the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with land swaps to accommodate Israeli settlements and a shared capital in Jerusalem. However, the Abbas government rejected the plan, citing concerns over Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem and the right of return for Palestinian refugees.
Since then, there has been little movement towards a two-state solution. The ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, as well as the expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, has made it increasingly difficult to envision a two-state solution that is acceptable to both sides.
This “right of return” is ALWAYS the sticking point.
To: SeekAndFind
The Right of Return in the UN plan doesn’t even limit it to people whose families had lived in the Gaza/Israel/West Bank area for decades. The UN describes refugees as those who had lived in the area for as little as 2 years, and were ‘dislocated’ to neighboring towns, including the ones they grew up in. It has a whole host of additional applications the UN created which are different than anywhere else, and which create situations which are resistant to any resolution.
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posted on
11/08/2023 11:46:57 AM PST
by
lepton
("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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