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Reagan's Grenada response has lessons for Biden, but Israel-Gaza threat is more complicated: expert
Fox News ^ | 10/25/2023 | Peter Aitken

Posted on 10/26/2023 8:22:18 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

As President Biden faces the most difficult international crisis of his administration, he might take some inspiration from his predecessor President Ronald Reagan, who 40 years ago today put boots on the ground on the Caribbean island of Grenada to save American lives — even though an expert noted key differences between the two situations.

The growing crisis in the small island nation of Grenada, a former British territory off the coast of Venezuela, occurred after a group of Caribbean nations appealed for U.S. help in what they feared would be a region-defining incident following interference from communist Cuba and other Soviet-influenced actors.

"It was a case that was made for potential Cuban and other actors being stationed in the Caribbean and holding threats against the United States," Peter Metzger, the former military aide to President Reagan during his first administration, told Fox News Digital. "To that end, President Reagan invited Prime Minister Eugenia Charles from Dominica to come and listen to briefings as the neighbors knew it needed to know what was going on."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: biden; gernada; israel; reagan
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Biden does not know if its tuesday or who Reagan is.
1 posted on 10/26/2023 8:22:18 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

That’s a comparison I don’t see.


2 posted on 10/26/2023 8:24:50 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I can’t believe it’s 40 years. I actually have a cassette tape of me and my friends talking about Grenada back in 1983, I dont know why I recorded it but wow, it seems like a year ago. I just turned 21 and now in another 40 years I’ll be 101 or almost as old as Madonna.


3 posted on 10/26/2023 8:25:47 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free, the USA will never have equal justice under the law)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

True. But it is NOT complicated at all. Accept the fact that hostages will not be making it through this- since they are likely in the Gaza tunnels which will be destroyed. No hostage (at least to the Israelis) is worth the extreme one on one loss of life to our Best (or to IDF spec ops). Turn off the supply routes (done: Damascus, and Aleppo airports were flattened further over the last night/day). Don’t ship any more “humanitarian” gifts to the ruling Hamas who will supply themselves. Gazan people are being starved by Hamas to keep them there. And- zero fuel- no more. When the generators quit, the ventilation disappears. See: Tora Bora where US used fuel air odorless— a very big vacuum result and the collapse of the rabbit warren of tunnels. Where osama was getting his dialysis- and was killed (imho).


4 posted on 10/26/2023 8:33:41 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis )
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Grenada currently has a population of about 125,000.

It was a very soft target by comparison with Gaza, which has a population of over 2,000,000.


5 posted on 10/26/2023 8:46:41 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Gaza is more like Iwo Jima.


6 posted on 10/26/2023 8:48:45 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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Iwo Jima is also an island. No chance for reinforcement or having a rest & refit area. Gaza & the West Bank have potential reinforcement & rest\refit areas. Gaza would be easier to isolate if there was a certainty of cooperation from Egypt. That's not a given!
7 posted on 10/26/2023 8:53:17 AM PDT by Reily (!!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

What’s the lesson? don’t go incremental. If you go, go all in. All in saves lives, shortens the war, aids reconciliation. Incremental gets many more people killed, theirs as well as ours, it hardens hearts, and perpetuates the cycle of war after war.

BTW, check out Clint Eastwood’s movie, Heartbreak Ridge. Eastwood plays a throwback, dealing with the changed mores of the military and society. He shapes up a Marine scout platoon that’s sent to Grenada and they kick ass. The film stretches artistic license to bring together multiple vignettes of the actual invasion. For example, the bulldozer scene.


8 posted on 10/26/2023 8:54:41 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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"This is the AK-47 assault rifle, the preferred weapon of your enemy - and it makes a very distinctive sound when fired at you, so remember it."

9 posted on 10/26/2023 8:56:02 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
I am a huge fan of Reagan. The best president in my lifetime!

BUT, just add the invasion of Granada to the long list of countries, usually much, much smaller (tiny nations), that we have invaded in the last sixty years.

After all, isn't the so-called reason we invade all these "sovereign" nations the same reason Putin invaded Ukraine -- to protect the security of his nation?

Which one is right?

Can anybody spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y?

10 posted on 10/26/2023 8:58:58 AM PDT by icclearly (Q)
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We Like War!

(Language)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaS2bRGS86c


11 posted on 10/26/2023 9:01:00 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Video
President Reagan’s Remarks on the Grenada Rescue Mission on October 25, 1983
https://rumble.com/v351834-president-reagans-remarks-on-the-grenada-rescue-mission-on-october-25-1983.html


12 posted on 10/26/2023 9:04:55 AM PDT by janetjanet998 (Legacy media including youtube are the enemy of the people and must die)
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To: ChicagoConservative27


13 posted on 10/26/2023 9:07:23 AM PDT by Iron Munro (We have done a lot of pressure canning and also have an )
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To: central_va

That’s right. You put boots on the ground in Gaza, you had better bring a lot of body bags.


14 posted on 10/26/2023 9:35:10 AM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: icclearly

Not even close, we invaded Grenada to end its takeover and conversion into a military base by the incredibly murderous empire-building, take over the world Russains, positioning to take over America and the Americas.

We then turned the country back over to its people and left.

Russia is invading non-threatening Ukraine to absorb it and make it part of the new Russian empire forever, they need its geography, minerals, and agriculture, ports, and population to start putting its great empire-building machine back together to start conquering more nations and start their evil empire again.


15 posted on 10/26/2023 10:34:57 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: icclearly

This was in the excerpt.
“The growing crisis in the small island nation of Grenada, a former British territory off the coast of Venezuela, occurred after a group of Caribbean nations appealed for U.S. help in what they feared would be a region-defining incident following interference from communist Cuba and other Soviet-influenced actors.”

Do you think that Ukraine, Poland and the countries that thanks to Reagan had escaped Russia are begging for Russia to rescue them or begging for help to fight off Russia?

Even Sweden and Finland begged for protection from the Russian empire after seeing Ukraine invaded.


16 posted on 10/26/2023 10:51:36 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Zipping up his trousers is a challenge for this asshat


17 posted on 10/26/2023 11:24:24 AM PDT by Wdempsey (Democrats and slinkys.. Both useless but fun to push down stairs.)
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Do you think that Ukraine, Poland and the countries that thanks to Reagan had escaped Russia are begging for Russia to rescue them or begging for help to fight off Russia?

Oh. I get it.

As long as someone else begs that sovereign nation to attack, it's perfectly okay to bomb, invade, and regime change that sovereign nation.

I guess that ignores the request from the Donbas region of Ukie to have the Russians save them from the daily shelling from 2014 on that killed so many of their citizens.

Where is that written into the "Rules-based-order? I must have missed that part.

18 posted on 10/26/2023 11:48:30 AM PDT by icclearly (Q)
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To: ansel12
Russia is invading non-threatening Ukraine to absorb it and make it part of the new Russian empire forever, they need its geography, minerals, and agriculture, ports, and population

Oh. You mean like we invaded/bombed......

-Vietnam
-Panama
-Afghanistan
-Iraq
-Libya
-Syria

Keep up your propaganda. I'm learning. Maybe before long I can believe the crap you believe -- NOT.

19 posted on 10/26/2023 11:53:19 AM PDT by icclearly (Q)
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Reagan kept Grenada free for Grenada, Putin is conquering nations to own them forever, he is empire-building.

You see Putin and Reagan doing the same thing, you need to open your eyes, Putin isn’t rescuing anyone, and Russia doesn’t have that role in its DNA and it never has.


20 posted on 10/26/2023 11:57:39 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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