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{barf alert} The double standard with Israel and Palestine leaves us in moral darkness
The Guardian ^ | 11th October 2023 | Mousdtafa Bayoumi

Posted on 10/11/2023 3:39:12 AM PDT by Cronos

The reflexive identification with Israel, by both US media professionals and politicians, always obscures the fuller picture of what’s happening between Israel and the Palestinians. On 7October, the National SecurityCouncil spokesperson Adrienne Watson stated that the US “unequivocally condemns the unprovoked attacks by Hamas terrorists against Israeli civilians”. Every one of us must stand up and denounce the killing of every civilian, Israeli or Palestinian or otherwise. But Watson’s use of the word “unprovoked” is doing a lot of work here....

What exactly counts as a provocation? Not, apparently, the large number of settlers, more than 800 by one media account, who stormed al-Aqsa mosque on 5 October. Not the 248 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces or settlers between 1 January and 4 October of this year. Not the denial of Palestinian human rights and national aspirations for decades. One can, in fact must, see such actions as provocations without endorsing further murderous violence against civilians. But if you watched only USnews, you would be likely to presume that Palestinians always act while Israel only reacts. You might even think that Palestinians are the ones colonizing the land of Israel, no less. And you probably believe that Israel, which holds ultimate control over the lives of 5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and yet denies them the right to vote in Israeli elections, is a democracy.

.... We are very likely entering another long and painful era where armed struggle and violent domination become increasingly and mutually dependent on each other for survival. Yet neither can win. The Palestinians will remain. They cannot be eliminated. Israel too will continue to exist. The future is full of unnecessary and horrific bloodshed all around. Desperate western attachment to morally bankrupt double standards bears a large portion of the blame.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: itistolaugh; mousdtafabayoumi; thegrauniad; theguardian
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Moustafa Bayoumi is the author of the award-winning books How Does It Feel to Be a Problem?: Being Young and Arab in America and This Muslim American Life: Dispatches from the War on Terror. He is a professor of English at Brooklyn College, City University of New York.
1 posted on 10/11/2023 3:39:12 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Moustafa thinks anything can justify beheading of babies?


2 posted on 10/11/2023 3:39:36 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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Moustafa Bayoumi is an American writer, journalist, and professor. Of Egyptian descent. Bayoumi is based in Brooklyn, New York. He is a professor of English at Brooklyn College, City University of New York

Bayoumi's work, How Does It Feel to Be a Problem?: Being Young and Arab in America, traces the experiences of seven young Arab-Americans navigating life in a post–September 11 environment, where complicated public perceptions of the attacks gave birth to new brands of stereotypes, fueling widespread discrimination. It is the story of how young Arab and Muslim Americans are forging lives for themselves in a country that often mistakes them for the enemy. His title is a reference to the W.E.B. Du Bois' 1903 classic, The Souls of Black Folk. How Does It Feel to Be a Problem?: Being Young and Arab in America was awarded a 2008 American Book Award and the 2009 Arab American Book Award for Non-Fiction.

In This Muslim American Life: Dispatches from the War on Terror (NYU Press, 2015), Bayoumi reveals what the War on Terror looks like from the vantage point of Muslim Americans, highlighting the profound effect this surveillance has had on how they live their lives. The essays expose how contemporary politics, movies, novels, media experts and more have together produced a culture of fear and suspicion that not only willfully forgets the Muslim-American past, but also threatens all of our civil liberties in the present.[9] This Muslim American Life was awarded the 2016 Evelyn Shakir Non-Fiction Arab American Book Award.

3 posted on 10/11/2023 3:41:04 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos

Ratshit Talib


4 posted on 10/11/2023 3:42:45 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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This is the same scam that was perpetrated after 9/11. The day after the attack, Muslims in this country started a campaign of lying about how oppressed they were. Muslims were not persecuted here prior to 9/11. The people oppressing Muslims in the Middle East are their fellow Muslims. Don’t fall for this lie as justification for Islamic barbarism.


5 posted on 10/11/2023 3:44:24 AM PDT by popdonnelly (All the enormous crimes in history have been committed by governments.)
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Exactly — sorry, whatever Israel may do, they don’t TARGET babies.


6 posted on 10/11/2023 3:46:45 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos
Deport him and his book to Palestine.
7 posted on 10/11/2023 4:13:27 AM PDT by Ronald77
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To: Cronos
another long and painful era

Thanks to guys like this.

The palestinians live under police state conditions because it is obvious they have never given up their terrorist inclinations.

Suspected terrorists are picked up and jailed as fast as they can find them. There's no "cashless bail" and no Miranda rules. Because of this, they justify targeting civilians, yet in spite of approving of murder in response to poor treatment, the lightbulb hasn't gone off in their heads that the poor treatment is a response to the murder.

Like all palestinian supporters, they have it backwards. It's not a double standard on the part of Israel, it's hypocrisy on the part of palestinians.

8 posted on 10/11/2023 4:19:47 AM PDT by fruser1
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I’ll bet anyone the farm that if the Israeli’s were mostly black folks and the Pali’s were majority whites, the left and their media would be 180 degrees opposite in their position towards the Israelis.

It’s sickening to even have to think about. But there it is.


9 posted on 10/11/2023 4:21:35 AM PDT by Bullish (...And just like that, I was dropped from the ping-list)
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They don’t believe Israel should be allowed to exist.

You can’t live with people that want you dead.

Even Egypt vets and limits how May they allow through the Rafah gate.

Jews are welcomed in most civilized places

Do not believe the phony moral equivalence

Level Gaza, and all who remain there.
Land for Peace does not work


10 posted on 10/11/2023 4:27:06 AM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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Boy the Guardian sure loves them muzzie writers spouting their garbage about “Israeli oppression”. Their subscribers must get orgasmic reading this crap.


11 posted on 10/11/2023 4:27:08 AM PDT by princeofdarkness
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TML;CNR

Too many lies; couldn’t read.

The writer claims that this has something to do with the “Palestinians” not having or being an actual nation, when it is the Palestinians who have refused nationhood.

I feel like the gaslighting dial has been turned up lately in the MSM. Or maybe my tolerance has gone down. The brazen overtness is too much.


12 posted on 10/11/2023 4:30:13 AM PDT by Chicory
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Notice shift from Gaza to West Bank. West Bank is a whole ‘nother story.

From 1918 to 1948, Gaza was controlled by U.K.; and, prior to that, for centuries, by the Ottomans, and before that, for centuries, by Rome.

From 1949 to 1967, Gaza was controlled by Egypt.

From 1967 to 2006, by Israel (Egypt declining to reassert control after the 1973 war).

In 2006, Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza. At last, after thousands of years of control by others, Gaza had the opportunity for self-government.

What did Gaza do?

Engage in terrorism against Israel.

Gaza is effed up beyond belief.


13 posted on 10/11/2023 4:30:19 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Cronos

The left reflexively claims the moral high ground of victim status. It’s sickening. This guy acts like he has no choice. Arabs did not have to adopt the goal of eliminating Israel.


14 posted on 10/11/2023 5:09:59 AM PDT by DeplorablePaul
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trespass & spitting

murder & rape

They are radically different.


15 posted on 10/11/2023 5:21:54 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Cronos

Hell

Next question . .


16 posted on 10/11/2023 5:29:36 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Gop DC Globalists are the evil )
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To: Bullish
Israelis

And Palis

are the SAME color -- in fact some Israelis (Jews from Ethiopia and from India) are DARKER than Palis

So, this is not about color - don't make it or compare it to the white-black issue in the USA

17 posted on 10/11/2023 5:35:17 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Redmen4ever

Before the Ottomans, the Crusaders briefly ran it

The Crusaders wrested control of Gaza from the Fatimids in 1100. According to the chronicler William of Tyre, the Crusaders found it uninhabited and in ruins. Unable to totally refortify the hilltop on which Gaza was built, due to a lack of resources, King Baldwin III built a small castle there in 1149. The possession of Gaza completed the military encirclement of the Fatimid-held city of Ascalon to the north. After the castle’s construction, Baldwin granted it and the surrounding region to the Knights Templar


18 posted on 10/11/2023 5:40:06 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos

Bayoumi, the minute your side agrees that Israel has a right to exist, the palestinians can have peace.


19 posted on 10/11/2023 5:47:36 AM PDT by yldstrk (Bingo! We have a winner!)
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To: princeofdarkness

The Guardian is a LEFT WING RAG.

DEMOCRATS AND COMMUNISTS ARE THEIR FAVORITES.

VOTE DEMOCRATS OUT !!!


20 posted on 10/11/2023 7:31:30 AM PDT by Pearfect
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