Posted on 10/04/2023 8:43:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
You comment makes no sense. Just like now, it was only a small number principled members that caused the 15 rounds of ballots to nominate the speaker. The big donors were involved then with most of the caucus like they were now.
And exactly how was an ousted McCarthy going to retaliate.?
You. miss the point. It's the fear of what McCarthy would do if the ouster doesn't work.
Gaetz did the Dems a great service. Whoever the next Speaker is he/she will be aware this can happen to him and he needs Dem support to repel Gaetz if Gaetz decides to do it again. The price for the Dems staying out... oh how about shutting down the committee investigations into Biden(s).
That's the lesson you take form this? The lesson is that the next speaker should simply not lie to his member, not hold back on subpoenas during investigations, not hide the J6 tapes from the American people, not always cave when a shutdown threat looms and not negotiate a Biden-McCarthy debt ceiling bill that required DEMOCRATS to pass it!
And that's just the small list.
"Hunger strike" ... LOL! If my opponent wants to starve himself to death, that's his problem. Not mine.
I disagree with Newt ... everybody who supported McCarthy, now or back in January, needs to be replaced.
Your thoughtful comments are appreciated.
Did McCarthy collaborate with Pelosi to keep his position, was McCarthy encouraged to hold the vote because he believed she had his back, and then Democrats reneged and sided with Gaetz when it came time to vote?
If Pelosi had lived up to her words with McCarthy, then anything Gaetz did would not have mattered.
It's my belief that Gaetz was only sending a message to McCarthy to toe the line with his caucus, and did not expect Pelosi to side with ousting McCarthy. Gaetz was warning McCarthy that they are watching and will file the motion to vacate again and again if McCarthy doesn't live up to thee promises that got him the office. If Gaetz never filed a motion to vacate then he would be seen as a paper tiger and McCarthy would take future threats less seriously.
I also believe that McCarthy believed that he had Pelosi's support, which is why he said "bring it on" to Gaetz and that he would win, when he scheduled the vote.
And I also believe that someone as cunning and deceitful as Pelosi might have had good intentions with McCarthy when she said those words to him, but she couldn't pass up the opportunity to have her own "Operation Chaos" against Republicans when push came to shove. Democrats have a long history of reneging on deals with Republicans going back to Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell (or further back with Reagan and O'Neill on amnesty).
Anyone who relies on a "deal" with Democrats is flirting with disaster. I believe that McCarthy did and Gaetz did not, and McCarthy paid the price for cozying up to Democrats.
-PJ
Think about it. If a Speaker died while in office, the Congress would still need to keep working while a new Speaker was elected
Stop It! Just Stop!
Stop using common sense!
Throw a fit and yell REEEEEEEEEEE!
(Thanks for the common sense post.)
If a RINO is raping you your first plan is to kill the mf’er. Get it?
My advice: SeekAndFind a clue.
Gaetz needs to run the republican Caucus and be fully supported in the Florida Republican Primary next year.
There is never a bad time to take out a RINO. And boy this was big one!!! RINO season is 7x24x365!!!
This was a scheduled “district work week” Nothing changed because of the Speaker Vote
Too soon for a summation. It ain’t over yet!
So, you support keeping the swampy GOPe uniparty mccarthy in office, to keep making deals and going along with bidens agenda.
For once, some people stood up to the uniparty, and got something done...
And ‘republicans’ are all mad and want the status quo restored.
smh
Gaetz "rallied" the entire Democrat caucus? That's bullshiite. The Dems wouldn't even pee on Gaetz if he was on fire. The wicked witch of the west gave the orders to her flying monkeys.
The next Speaker will be more worried about 202 Dems than 8 Reps whose leader is looking for a cable gig. And I’m still waiting for your mentioned donor list and doesn’t Gaetz’ group have donors. Couldn’t they make their voice heard? Oh and most of the GOP in the House won their last election by at least 60%. Reelection for most is not a problem. It is for the blue state suburban Reps like those from Long Island but they weren’t voting to oust McCarthy.
bkmk
Gaetz only takes small donors. And Mace was on today saying that she has now lost her big donors.
It is for the blue state suburban Reps like those from Long Island but they weren’t voting to oust McCarthy.
Folks on LI hate Democrats more today than they did in 2022 when they voted for all four Republican representatives.
I live there.
Gotta hand it to Gaetz. The democrats LOVE “bipartisanship” and Gaetz delivered. Now the media is distracted by this and now this give a few extra months for the Biden cancer to spread further.
because all the investigations in to the Bidens have been going anywhere so far? get real
McCarthy trying to cut a deal with the Biden regime to continue to fund the failed proxy war in Ukraine was absolutely unacceptable. As was his refusal to do what was necessary to assure that the FBI and DOJ were no longer being used as political weapons against Trump and US citizens.
The continued increased Federal spending under McCarthy's watch is also absolutely unacceptable.
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