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“A dystopian world of Poverty and perpetual wars of conquest.” Exactly like the world we already have, and have had for quite some time. Tell me exactly how continuing to fund Ukraine changes that. Be specific. While you’re at it, tell me what winning means for Ukraine. Be specific.

You can’t, because funding Ukraine isn’t about staving off a dystopia. We already have that. It’s about weakening the US and making sure the money laundering operation continues apace with ever more funding. There are neither high ideals nor winners here. It’s about keeping the grift going and nothing else.

You know “grift” or graft is pretty much endemic across the globe. It’s much, much worse in non-Western countries. It’s very naive to think it’s not.

Now to the bigger issue: war, destruction, killing civilians and seizing territory for profit. “Corruption et al” is miniscule and pales in comparison to wars of conquest, killing and privation which has been inflicted upon Ukraine and threatens to be unleashed on many more countries.

You think things are bad now? You have ABSOLUTELY no idea, and I mean, NO IDEA how bad life will be if war-for-conquest is condoned. I can tell you exactly what winning in Ukraine means: it means making Russia’s war of conquest, subjugation, and plunder of Ukraine so expensive and so impossible that no other country will attempt to invade, plunder and subjugate another country for a very long time.

Defending Ukraine/preventing Russia’s conquest is as important as defeating fascism and imperialism in the Second World War. In fact it is more important because to permit such aggression with current military weapons is a far greater threat to humanity. Such aggression, if left unchecked, will not take the lives of 100 million people, but billions of people. Do you understand now?

elenvee Exactly like the world we already have, and have had for quite some time.

Rot - have you even looked at the reduction in wars?

There have been few to NO wars of conquest 1946 to 2023 - subsiding from 1946 and virtually none from 1973 to 1991 (Iraq attempted conquest of Kuwait) until Putin's invasions

Compare this to the period from the end of the Napoleonic wars to 1900 --> chaos

Wars of military conquest lead to more deaths, more misery and for you lower incomes.

By showing Putin that this is not acceptable, this stops other would-be conquerors - by allowing it, you allow Azerbaijan and other conquerors to say "he did, so why can't I?"

What winning means for Ukraine? - it means simply that they are not under the Kremlin's thumb.