Posted on 10/01/2023 11:19:44 AM PDT by daniel1212
Religious persecution is nothing new to Massachusetts. But the commonwealth’s recent denial of a Catholic couple’s application to become foster parents because of their faith is a notable variation on the mass hysteria that once sent “witches” to the executioner....
In this instance, Michael and Catherine “Kitty” Burke were told they weren’t qualified to be foster parents unless they vowed to support a child should he or she someday identify as “LGBTQIA.” Talk about a litmus test.
In fact, during a rigorous interview process with a social worker to determine their fitness as foster parents, the Burkes said they would love and support a foster child regardless of the child’s sexual or gender identity.
But they also said they’d continue to honor their faith and its teachings on marriage and sexuality.
Why didn’t they just fudge and say whatever the interviewer wanted them to say? Because the Burkes are good and honest.
Even their interrogator described them as “lovely people” and wrote in her report: “Kitty and Mike are devoutly Roman Catholic and not only attend church with regular frequency, they both also work for local churches as musicians.”
Michael is an Iraq War veteran, church organist and small-business owner. Kitty, a former special-education caregiver, is a church cantor and small-business owner. They were willing to foster children of any race, culture or ethnicity, as well as children with special needs and even siblings.
How much better could a foster couple be? The social worker concluded that the Burkes’ faith “is not supportive and neither are they.”
After 30 hours of interviews, training and assessments of the Burkes’ home and financial security, the license review team determined that they “would not be affirming to a child who identified as LGBTQIA.”
Not surprisingly, the Burkes have gone to court....
Related:
Kim Davis must pay $100,000 to US same-sex couple she denied marriage license
Davis’s defense team said in a Wednesday press release that they “look forward to appealing this decision and taking this case to the US supreme court”.
But the US supreme court already declined to hear an appeal from Davis’s lawyers on the matter in 2020, AP reported. - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/14/kim-davis-damages-same-sex-marriage-license-kentucky
Catholics are persecuted by LGBLT because of their beliefs. The worm has turned.
Actually most Catholics support homosexual unions, and the Left depends much on their votes, Rome manifestly treats even proabortion, prohomosexual public figures as members in life and in death (showing the Vatican's understanding of canon law) and it is evangelicals the Left deplore the most.
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Lots of people call themselves “Catholic” including followers of Martin Luther.
Apparently these people are believers.
However, Luther was excommunicated for his reproof, unlike liberal RCs, for as said, Rome [even] manifestly treats even proabortion, prohomosexual public figures as members in life and in death (showing the Vatican's understanding of canon law). And thus their RC voters.
And since excommunication requires magisterial action, from the local ordinary or upward, then you are in no position to decree Ted Kennedy RCs as excommunicated.
I’m referring to your source. Surveys typically sample “self-identifying Catholics”. This is a meaningless catagory since it includes anyone.
Gay marriage was created for the purpose to give easy access thr sodomites to children
False. Excommunications which are incurred latae sententiae are incurred "automatically" by the act itself, without any act by a church authority.
Ferendae sententiae excommunication would require a decree by the bishop (for offenses where he has the authority under canon law) or by the Pope.
The lifting of an excommunication requires a judicial act by the bishop, or a priest to whom he has delegated the authority, or, in certain egregious cases, by the Pope. then you are in no position to decree Ted Kennedy RCs as excommunicated.
Sorry, last few words were from your post, which failed to edit out.
This politicizing of deviant sex is unbelievable! Agree with us on a sex practice, a deadly and disease filled sex practice…or we call you unfit!
My wife wanted us to sign up to do foster parenting. I told her no. I would have to spend big money just to meet their physical demands and our faith would end up being an issue anyway. I also don’t wish to be a target if the did allow us.
In fact, during a rigorous interview process with a social worker to determine their fitness as foster parents …
There’s no reason to volunteer for this duty if you have to subject yourself to this kind of sh!t. Go serve as a foster parent in a way that doesn’t require the government to sign off on your suitability to be a foster parent.
Not so, since hardly anyone will I.D. as Catholic who was not baptized as one, and will be considered a member by Rome, unless they state otherwise. Show me a list of all RC members and that of Rome excluding those who I.D. as such and you will have a case.
No, the catagory is Catholic and what that defines. Previous surveys such as what you link to shows the category is ill defined. Such surveys are uesless.
“Surveys typically sample “self-identifying Catholics””
They are usually cultural Catholics who haven’t darkened a church sanctuary since they were children.
Sophistry, as an argument supporting the premise that self ID RCs who affirm favoring pro-lgbtq unions (even if only civil) even by voting Democrat, can be dismissed as not being members. Esp. as presuming this is the judgement of Rome. For as a canon lawyer explains, there are factors involved/ (including "imperfect use of reason").
Catholic answers even states: Canon 18 reiterates that in the interpretation of individual canons, “Laws which prescribe a penalty . . . are to be interpreted restrictively.” Excommunication is the Church’s highest penalty; therefore, it should only be applied with extreme caution. Canon 18 requires that excommunication be restricted to those cases only where a strict reading of the law warrants it....Excommunication is a word that is often bandied about by Catholics, non-Catholics, and the media. However, when properly understood within the context of canon law, it is a penalty that the Church only applies in the rarest of cases, as a last resort, and for the purpose of helping to bring about the offender’s repentance." (https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/strong-medicine)
And thus a competent Church superior is needed for you to know for use if a liberal RC is excommend, let alone all RC Democrats. And as Scripture as teaches, your actions show what you believe, and thus interpretation is manifest by actions, and since as said Rome manifestly treats even proabortion, prohomosexual public figures as members in life and in death then it reveals the Vatican's understanding of canon law. Thus laymen are in no position to decree Ted Kennedy RCs as excommunicated.
However, if you wish to declare RCs as excommunicated due to a qualifying letter-of-canon-law violation, then maybe you will tell all the FR RC's here who promote animosities or hatred against the living Apostolic See, which will result in arguments illustrating the need for an interpreter/judge if your judgment is going to have much effect.
Can. 1373 A person who publicly incites among subjects animosities or hatred against the Apostolic See or an ordinary because of some act of power or ecclesiastical ministry or provokes subjects to disobey them is to be punished by an interdict or other just penalties. https://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2017/04/20/can-you-be-both-a-catholic-and-a-sedevacantist/then you are in no position to decree Ted Kennedy RCs as excommunicated.
I do not think you meant to copy that into your reply, but it is a true conclusion.
Not so: every survey I have ever seen - which are many - show a near majority or a majority of Catholics as being quite liberal. And the compilation I linked to provides sources. They are your brethren,. as much Teddy KJ was and you must own them. s
Church going Catholics or cradle Catholics who do not practice the religion?
Both are manifestly treated as members in life and in death by Rome, and thus you are to also. It is conservative RCs who are most likely to be dissed by the leadership today.
Thus the various TradCath sects, who subject the validity of modern RC teaching to the test of conformity of the past, as understood by them. As I do, but by ancient I mean Scripture - esp. Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels - in which distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest
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