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Sergei Lavrov dismisses Ukraine peace plan and UN effort to revive grain deal
Reuters, via The Guardian ^ | September 23, 2-23 | Staff Report

Posted on 09/24/2023 10:07:38 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

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To: kiryandil
You dodged the questions, you intellectual fraud and coward.

What do you think happened to the Wagner jet? Just fell out of a clear blue, Russian sky?

Day 31 of no F-16 delivery [09-24-2023], contrary to the hopium and Walls of Text posted

No one said that ‘delivery’ would happen a month ago. If they did you could quote it, instead you dredge up a strawman regarding ‘delivery’ in a failing bid to distract from your refusal to answer any questions.

You’re a fraud, and everyone who sees you dodge my questions with old strawman can see it.

Would you care to make a bet that F-16s will be delivered to Ukraine? Or will you ignore this and spin up a new strawman?

21 posted on 09/24/2023 1:50:13 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
Nobody cares what you "think".

Everyone cares about the non-delivery of the vaporware F-16s.   

The US is gonna start training them 7 or 8 Ukrainian pilots any day now...

22 posted on 09/24/2023 1:52:40 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: marcusmaximus

“Trump expects Russia to return Crimea to Ukraine: White House

FEBRUARY 14, 2017”

By the time President Trump is inaugurated in January of 2025, at current rates, Russia is likely to be effectively bankrupt, and the old Soviet arsenal effectively scrapped.

He would then be in a very strong position to drive a hard deal, and Russia will likely be significantly more desperate to get out of that quagmire. Significant conditions for a more enduring post war security would be in place (a weak Russia).


23 posted on 09/24/2023 1:57:27 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo
By the time President Trump is inaugurated in January of 2025, at current rates, Russia is likely to be effectively bankrupt, and the old Soviet arsenal effectively scrapped.

In the mind of "Cookies" and other "Institute For Grifting On War" types, perhaps.

Oil (Brent)	93.83	0.63%	0.59	USD per Barrel	9/22/2023
Oil (WTI)	90.36	0.85%	0.76	USD per Barrel	9/22/2023

24 posted on 09/24/2023 2:09:08 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil
Everyone cares about the non-delivery

Let’s see if you dodge this question too:

Do you believe that F-16s will not be delivered to Ukraine?

25 posted on 09/24/2023 2:17:02 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3; JonPreston
We handled this on the other thread, where we're keeping score.

Perhaps you're having memory issues.   

26 posted on 09/24/2023 2:25:39 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

Then quote your response, you either believe they will be delivered or not.

Yes or no?

I bet you’re too afraid to answer.


27 posted on 09/24/2023 2:27:28 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
I bet you’re too afraid to answer.

I already answered - but you forgot.

Make an urgent appointment with your neurologist. Tomorrow morning.

28 posted on 09/24/2023 2:30:49 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

“The US is gonna start training them 7 or 8 Ukrainian pilots any day now...”

The first group is in the USA for language training and preliminaries. Several other countries have also received Ukrainian pilots for training, and several more are part of the the coalition to provide F-16s.

A lot has to go on to prepare for their arrival, beyond pilot training - basing, support & sustainment, armament, preparing the battlefield for them, incorporating them into the appropriate phase of the Operational Plan. Some might poke up early just to intercept cruise missiles, but squadrons of F-16s will arrive with significant new capabilities, that will produce new effects (like when Javelins or HIMARS arrived).

Regardless of when they come (plus or minus a few months) it is quite clear that they are coming - funds have already been released.

Its just one more harbinger of the doom that Putin is brining upon his Ruskii Mir. Nagorno-Karabakh is just the first of the many breakaways and takeaways to come, as the neighbors prepare to feast on the carcass of the former Russian Republic, and its interests abroad. China has the biggest appetite. The road is clearer for them now, than it was for Wagner from Rostov, but they can afford to wait another year, until the West finishes the job.


29 posted on 09/24/2023 2:54:37 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo
The first group is in the USA for language training and preliminaries. Several other countries have also received Ukrainian pilots for training, and several more are part of the the coalition to provide F-16s.

Ah, BeauBo - always selling the "Free Beer Tomorrow!" hopium.

As of Thursday, F-16 training hasn't even begun...

Abrams tanks for Ukraine are "on schedule" and F-16 training to begin "soon" – Pentagon
Ukrainska Pravda

Thu, September 21, 2023

30 posted on 09/24/2023 3:01:47 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

“By the time President Trump is inaugurated in January of 2025, at current rates, Russia is likely to be effectively bankrupt,”

Yes, oil prices are the big wildcard - they have been rising, and Urals has gone from $55 to almost $80 in 3 months. That still marks a significant budget deficit for Russian Government. They are just going broke slower.

It is a wildcard, which way oil prices go, but with their increased costs, increased theft (this is Russia after all, and now it is all under the table) and the loss of most of their natural gas and refined petroleum product sales; Revenue boosts from oil prices are just a fraction of what they would have been before the war.

The original Russian 2023 budget accepted a wartime deficit, based on $70 oil, but defense and security spending have more than doubled since then, and the ruble is down significantly.

There is more trouble in store for the Russian budget and economy - deliberately planned for effect. A crash is coming, as are the F-16s.

Because Putin.


31 posted on 09/24/2023 3:10:20 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: kiryandil

So Ukraine is likely to Start 2024 without F-16’s, and end the year with several dozen operational, on track to a few hundred over the coming years.


32 posted on 09/24/2023 3:15:52 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo
and Urals has gone from $55 to almost $80 in 3 months. That still marks a significant budget deficit for Russian Government. They are just going broke slower.

LOL!

But what about those sanctions on Russian oil?   

Russia dodges G7 price cap sanctions on most of its oil exports
September 24, 2023
https://www.ft.com/content/cad37c16-9cbd-473c-aa2f-102c21393d2e

Oh, NOES!!! The West's 60-dollar-a-barrel price cap ist kaputt.

It is to laugh.

33 posted on 09/24/2023 3:20:19 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: BeauBo
So Ukraine is likely to Start 2024 without F-16’s, and end the year with several dozen operational, on track to a few hundred over the coming years.

The Tater will gladly give over F-16s on Tuesday, for a political talking point today.


34 posted on 09/24/2023 3:25:09 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: kiryandil

“The West’s 60-dollar-a-barrel price cap ist kaputt.”

Its discount to Brent is not. The price cap was designed to move over time, to reduce revenues to Russia, while maintaining supply.

They are still costing Russia billions, and Russia is still having to take Yuan and Rupees, instead of hard currency for a great bulk of current shipments. Russia is also shipping oil to Egypt, Pakistan, and others on credit, that they did not have to before.


35 posted on 09/24/2023 3:28:20 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: kiryandil
"Tater will gladly give over F-16s on Tuesday, for a political talking point today."

F-16's will give the whole world something to talk about in the Ukraine. If you enjoyed watching the Black Sea Fleet HQ burn recently, you will have much, much more such entertainment to come.

All occupied Ukrainian territory will be in range of large precision bombs - 1,000 and 2,000 pounders, put right through a particular chosen window of the target. Relatively inexpensive bombs, that we have many more of, than we have rockets for HIMARS.

As badly as Russian forces have been mauled so far, they have hardly yet encountered NATO Air capabilities from even the 1960's (except the Storm Shadow/SCALPs). It has basically been left over Soviet crap from the old Warsaw Pact arsenals. There is a whole new world of hurt on the way.

Now that Ukrainian Forces have demonstrated the ability to take out Russian S-400 Air Defense Systems at will, the Air war is ready to shift the way the war at Sea has shifted over the Summer.

Putin has brought on Doom for Russia.

36 posted on 09/24/2023 3:47:57 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: kiryandil; Gunslingr3
Col Macgregor has the best take on F16s to Ukraine. Here is is again.

Col. Douglas Macgregor: F-16 in Ukraine is a silly nonsense. Ukrainians are finished

37 posted on 09/24/2023 3:55:38 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: BeauBo
instead of hard currency

You mean the scrip of the pirates, the United States of Banana and the EuroPeeing Onion?

38 posted on 09/24/2023 4:08:30 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: BeauBo
F-16's will give the whole world something to talk about in the Ukraine.

There's that future tense again:


39 posted on 09/24/2023 4:10:54 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: JonPreston
Col Macgregor has the best take on F16s to Ukraine.

They're certainly angry about Colonel MacGregor.

Maybe they just don't like the Scots.

40 posted on 09/24/2023 4:13:47 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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