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Migration could be ‘dissolving force for EU’, says bloc’s top diplomat
The Gruniad (UK) ^ | Fri 22 Sep 2023 | Patrick Wintour

Posted on 09/23/2023 5:58:47 AM PDT by Salman

Migration could be “a dissolving force for the European Union” due to deep cultural differences between European countries and their long-term inability to reach a common policy, the EU’s most senior diplomat has said.

Although Russia will try to fan the flames on migration inside Europe, Josep Borrell denied that the conflict in Ukraine was contributing to the crisis, which he described as a decades-old problem fuelled by wars and poverty in departure countries.

The EU’s external affairs commissioner said the bloc had performed miracles in the war, and that it was one of the key forces forging a new world order in which the global south deserved greater respect and power.

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(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eu; europe; illegals; migrantsurge
Maybe he's just fear mongering, but it wouldn't be all bad if it worked out that way.
1 posted on 09/23/2023 5:58:47 AM PDT by Salman
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To: Salman

With a Global Government they’ll destroy the West by bringing half the world to us


2 posted on 09/23/2023 6:02:00 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Salman

These aren’t “migrations”. They are invasions! Wake up!


3 posted on 09/23/2023 6:02:07 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Try That In A Small Town" - Jason Aldean rules!)
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To: Salman
The EU’s external affairs commissioner said the bloc had performed miracles in the war, and that it was one of the key forces forging a new world order

'Nuff said.

American tax dollars for America only.

4 posted on 09/23/2023 6:02:39 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Salman

No aid should ever have been given to “poor” countries without demonstrable political changes. Crappy governments are why they’re poor. Culture, too, but changing the gov’t might help to change the culture.


5 posted on 09/23/2023 6:22:55 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: Sirius Lee

“American tax dollars for America only.”

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The voters could demand this. Simply a matter of voting for people and holding them accountable for results here at home, first and foremost. But we don’t. So corrupt politicians continues to squander money abroad.


6 posted on 09/23/2023 6:23:52 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Salman

The problem is human pollution caused by migration


7 posted on 09/23/2023 6:26:32 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: Twotone

“Culture, too, but changing the gov’t might help to change the culture.

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That’s an interesting “chicken or the egg” question. In most governments the overriding priorities are power, control and permanence. Therefore they will only act to influence the culture in ways that are beneficial to the ruling elites. So...there’s little incentive for them to induce cultural changes that may be good for society, but not for those in power. Such movements will be discouraged.

To be sure, some cultural influences stem from other factors but when governments are aligned with the institutions in society (shared interests) it will be harder for those factors to produce positive cultural changes.

It is possible that cultural change can also arise during times of great national stress such as wars, depressions, etc. Fear, pain and uncertainty can definitely affect the national character, what we value, and how we look at the world.

But back to your point, it’s hard to change the government when the government doesn’t want change.


8 posted on 09/23/2023 6:45:43 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: bert

“The problem is human pollution caused by migration”

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How does it benefit an advanced society like ours to effectively dumb down the population by bringing in tens of millions of unskilled and uneducated people? All this does is lower our level of national intelligence, create a burden on our social services, and make our country less competitive in the world.

Most companies and institutions want to employ people who can be productive assets to them. Likewise, this country should do the same, if of course the goal is to build a better and productive society. It doesn’t appear that that’s the goal however.


9 posted on 09/23/2023 6:52:45 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Salman
--- Migration could WILL be ‘dissolving force for EU’
10 posted on 09/23/2023 7:05:40 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Starboard
--- "Most companies and institutions want to employ people who can be productive assets to them. Likewise, this country should do the same, if of course the goal is to build a better and productive society. It doesn't appear that that's the goal however."

Agree wholeheartedly. The goals of our "elite" oligarchs and their donor-driven politicians is money and power, power and money. And always camouflaged by words and rhetoric so as to obscure the goals.

11 posted on 09/23/2023 7:08:14 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: butlerweave

Biden and party have been dealt in on that gig for a long time as their actions have proved.


12 posted on 09/23/2023 7:53:04 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

“donor-driven politicians”

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You should put a trade mark on that one!

And as to them always using “camouflaged by words and rhetoric so as to obscure the goals”...as a class they are a bunch of professional liars. Their rhetoric is crafted to manipulate us and benefit them.


13 posted on 09/23/2023 7:54:22 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Salman

Oh when the saints,
Oh when the saints,
Oh when the saints go camping in...


14 posted on 09/23/2023 8:38:33 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (I'd rather have one king 3000 miles away that 3000 kings one mile away)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

More like “invitations”.


15 posted on 09/23/2023 9:04:58 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: Starboard; Twotone; Salman

But back to your point, it’s hard to change the government when the government doesn’t want change.”

The government will NEVER want change. Why should they? They got the power, which is the ultimate prize.

The only way to change the government (those with the power) is for those out of power to force it to change by whatever means at their disposal - more often than not that means is force.

And that only happens when things get so miserable that people would rather sacrifice their lives than live under that oppression... unless there is another way out, and for many third worlders that better way out is flight to a better place. The old fight or flight choice.

And the west, stupidly and to its own forever detriment, has opened the door to the better place - “The Camp Of The Saints” - making the choice of fight or flight a simple one.

I can’t blame them. What would you do if you were in their shoes?


16 posted on 09/23/2023 9:37:03 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: aquila48; Twotone; Salman

“I can’t blame them. What would you do if you were in their shoes?”

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I wasn’t blaming anyone or saying what they should or should not do. Just objectively discussing the “chicken or the egg” cultural question raised by Twotone.


17 posted on 09/23/2023 9:57:26 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

The main point of my response to you was that to expect “government” (the people in power) to want change is rather silly. They got what they most want.

Change will only come from those out of power wanting to get more power to better serve their own interests.


18 posted on 09/23/2023 10:31:11 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: Starboard; aquila48; Salman

My point is that there IS (or was) an outside source of power that could force change. If they want money from another nation, there should be requirements for that gov’t to meet. We could say:

“There is no rule of law. Implement changes before we assist you.”

“Too much corruption. We can’t assist until that changes.”

You could go on & on. And find ways to help a country meet those goals. But if the people in power just want power, they can do it without our aid. And obviously awful countries like China, Cuba, North Korea, etc., should never get any assistance at all. UNTIL THEY CHANGE.

We’ve blown the one thing we had that could’ve provided peaceful change. Too bad.


19 posted on 09/23/2023 11:15:29 AM PDT by Twotone
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To: aquila48

“The main point of my response to you was that to expect “government” (the people in power) to want change is rather silly.”

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Isn’t that what I already said? Please go back and read my post again. To reiterate, what I said was “In most governments the overriding priorities are power, control and permanence. Therefore they will only act to influence the culture in ways that are beneficial to the ruling elites. So...there’s little incentive for them to induce cultural changes...”. I’m clearly saying they don’t want to change.

Also, I still don’t get why you posed the question “What would you do if you were in their shoes?” when that was not the issue being discussed.


20 posted on 09/23/2023 3:07:24 PM PDT by Starboard
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