Posted on 09/16/2023 11:14:02 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
That is the one thing in that listcicle that should give anyone pause before flying Aeroflop.
You're a pinhead idiot.
Memory is part of the brain, but it's not the processing system, or the 'smarts' of the system. Memory only serves to hold information so that the brain doesn't have to keep receiving it over and over again; iow, once it's stored, it's available for the 'smarts' to operate on it. Intelligence does involve information or the data that was stored, but, it's not just the store information, since information is constantly being introduced by the environment. What you do with that information, either stored or being introduced, is where a person's intelligence comes in. Not all are equipped to that information in the same way. Information stored is meaningless unless it can be acted upon. Thus, like in a computer's memory, it's useless until the CPU (central processing unit) gets a hold of it. A person's memory acts the same way, and we know of a lot of people with fantastic memories that can recall humongous amounts of information, but don't know how to react or act against that information.
While there are many parts to intelligence, intelligence is primarily measured by the quantity of data one can exhibit that they possess.
The majority of the measurement is the amount of data they can exhibit.
To exhibit it one must have the ability to communicate it both orally & with tests that are answered with pens, that requires either selection of the correct answer or answers from multiple choice fashioned questions or essay fashioned questions of the various disciplines that they are introduced to by the systems (schools) that exist to introduce the students to the various disciplines, such as math, science, technology (now), engineering, civics (not as much anymore), & history. Of course it has been a long time since I have bee in an actual classroom. Thus I am going by what I remember, which may not be the reality toady.
But it is the data, and the quantity along with the capability to communicate the data that is used to measure intelligence. A breakdown in that will negatively affect one's IQ testing results.
But if a computer is never given access to data, a computer is a worthless object, just as a fully functioning brain is useless if it is denied access to data.
While both have many different components that are needed to function effectively, it is the data that fulfils their very being.
For what good is a human being born if it remains stagnant in growth.
What good is a computer if it can't entertain its user by visiting far off places, deliver music upon command. provide information needed, and the list goes on.
The data is why humans have a brain, and it is data that a computer even exists.
Man absorbs data and a person's brain is not just the storage bin it is what also processes the data.
In your ignorant, no make that stupid, attempt to describe intelligence, you have failed miserably. Because the computer mimics the brain. However, the brain is constructed quite differently than the computer though they function in similar fashion. But the brain has functions the computer will never possess. Again, the computer through instructions created by a person can in some cases make it seem as if the computer is processing the data as a human is. But man has that quality built in. That quality is the ability to assess the data, while a computer can only give the appearance of assessing the data, which is what we call AI. But the bias of the person creating the algorithms is the one providing that appearance of analyzing data.
One thing they have in common though is that they both can take in data & process it, but data is what comprises a person's intelligence, and it is the data that is measured to peg an intelligence quotient (IQ) to a person's brain.
Furthermore, a person's ability to retain that information is different also. Being introduced to data is not a guarantee that it will be retained forever more. It may give the person a reference point from which they know where to retrieve it from at a later date.
An example would be a lawyer who knows that there is a case where a certain argument was used in a case. He knows it exists in a law book, and if he is lucky he knows the name of the case. But he still needs to refer to the law book.
Another lawyer has photographic capabilities & they can recite the case in its entirety word for word, without referring to the law book.
They both are very smart lawyers, but the one lawyer has a slight advantage, and he may have a slight intelligence quotient advantage because he doesn't have to look back to the law book.
But they are so evenly matched because the difference is so slight as to be insignificant.
But both of their IQs are still based upon data, & the guy with the photographic memory has a slight advantage because he has the capacity to store that data in his brain for immediate recall.
This is where the storage capacity plays a part to elevate the one over the other on the IQ scale.
Both run the risk of losing that data either naturally or due to an accident. Rendering then no longer as intelligent as they were.
See, everything points to data as being the ingredient that intelligence is measured upon. There might be slight differences based upon capacity & special "gifts" as we call them endowed by our creator.
Why our creator endows these special abilities is a mystery that we will most likely never resolve.
But intelligence is not a measure that humans can base the value of anyone.
Have you ever been in the Marines? Were you ever in Vietnam?
Irrelevant & immaterial and without question off topic.
How Are The Mind & The Brain Different? A Neuroscientist Explains
It sone what validates both of our arguments, but IQ is still based upon data. But it opens a different path that expands the topic where it separates the mind & the brain as being different entities. But no one really knows for sure. 🙂
Abilities to process data, both storage & retrieval, are not able to be quantified, because our understanding of the varying abilities are limited. We don't really know how to identify them, let alone measure them. Our ability to even communicate about them is extremely labored, and we end up calling these extraordinary abilities as a gift from the Lord. That's because it is rare to come across a human that possesses them.
However it does not change the fact that IQ tests administered measure data which is what we were discussing.
But anyway, I thought you might enjoy it. Here is the post of FR:
FR Post: How Are The Mind & The Brain Different? A Neuroscientist Explains
Interesting article/post, but...
It’s a lot of confusing rhetoric and no real distinction between the mind and brain.
The brain is IT. IT is the center of everything that determines what intelligence it. One might want to ascribe the secondary meaning as being the mind, but, it’s still the brain. The brain is the organ. The organ is what determines what the mind is. Without the brain, the ‘mind definition goes away completely. Therefore, we’re still talking about a BRAIN and not a mind. People are allowed to use the two terms interchangeably, but, in the final analysis, we’re talking about a BRAIN.
Without the brain, humans would not exist, or they would exist, but mostly in a vegetative form. Take the brain awsy, and the illusion of the mind ceases to exist. Take the brain away, and humans cease to exist.
I’ll grant you one thing:
The human brain does use information to communicate. Therefore, without the information, the brain is useless. But, without the brain. data is completely useless and nobody would ever even know about the data. Data or information, is just food for the brain. The brain was created with several parts, and the memory side stores data, but the decision to store data comes from the “CPU” or processing side of the brain. The processing side of the brain therefore determines intelligence, and information is just there for processing and for communicating that information to other parts of the body, and for external communications with other humans and other living things. Without the processor in the brain, we might well all just be vegetables. The logic side of the brain is not the information storage side.
Well, that is your opinion, but can you prove your opinion? Can you explain what it is that gives some humans extraordinary abilities? Is it something else that they possess? If so what is it? Is it a defect that results in an enhancement? Is there a way that is available to all?
That is why I brought up Helen Keller. She had a fully functioning brain. However, because she lacked two senses, hearing & sight, the data derived from these senses were withheld from her brain to process that data. A CPU is useless without the code provided to it to direct how the CPU is to operate. Without that human created code the CPU doesn't know what to do. That code is passed from parents to child, at least from what we now know. But apparently it is different with each child those parents are responsible for bearing, but why is that the case? Why would the parents have different genetic codes to pass?
We are both arguing around in circles based upon semantics, bur semantics do not change the meaning, at least not significantly. But saying that the CPU isa the key in technically incorrect. It's the code that controls the CPU. While that sounds like semantics it's not, because they are two different things. There is a CPU and it does functions that control the process. But it too is controlled by instruction sets provided to it. (The main function of this unit is to sense input values via its I/O modules, generate control signals following the input signals and the predefined instruction stored in the memory unit as program). In a computer those instruction sets are created by humans. In humans it is created by the parents according to theory, but is it really? 🙂
Data can be misinterpreted and become the standard bearer for quite a lot of time. One good example of that was Newton's theory of gravity that stood for a long period of time until Einstein came along and proved Newton's theory to be incorrect with his theory of relativity. Last I heard, Einstein's theory of relativity is beginning to fray. The exact reasons I haven't been able to keep up with, because I tend to wait until more information becomes available before I get interested in a topic, and because I am getting older as well and my capacity to process the data becomes somewhat impaired.
Anyway, man does not have the answers that the creator has. Some of the answers man has are more than likely to be wrong, but it is what man has to work with for now.
It's an interesting topic for sure, but it's a topic that has answers no one can can state for sure. When if comes to the topic of IQ though, which is a human construct, we can say definitively that it is based solely upon data that a human can store & retrieve, period. How that function works differently for different humans is not something we can state with certainty. We can theorize, but we can't state an answer that is definitive. We understand, or least think we do that it is the code people are blessed with. But are we all blessed with this code? Is there some way to unlock this code in others?
The answer is, no one knows. 🙂
I expected a non answer from you. Thanks for not disappointing me.
You never lay out what the facts are, or what you believe the facts to be. You have already made several errors so far.
There are many people with extraordinary memories, and we've heard of many of them, even in movies.
That is true, & there are many of them that we have never heard their name being mentioned. But the reality is, they are far outnumbered by those whose knowledge is not as impressive. Those would be the normal people. But even the normal crowd has varying degrees with in it, from below average to above average but well below extraordinary who provide breakthrough knowledge. Meaning that they ventured into the previous unknown realm of knowledge, following the knowledge of others before them.
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