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Elon Musk admits preventing Ukrainian attack on Russia by refusing access to Starlink 'to avoid being complicit in a major act of war'
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 8 September 2023 | By Chris Jewers and Harriet Alexander

Posted on 09/08/2023 3:28:37 AM PDT by dennisw

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To: hardspunned

Vlad’s Squalid Squaddie—
Your recycled revanchist rooskie arse kissing bs is tiresome. You have worn very deep grooves in your roooskie record collection. Such that it is. And it ain’t very much.


21 posted on 09/08/2023 7:32:44 AM PDT by dennisw (Never attribute to incompetence & stupidity, that which is adequately explained by malice)
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To: AndyJackson
Another globalist war mongering rules based international order raises his head.

Psycho-Tsar Vlad invaded Ukraine. Vlad is the warmonger. As large as Russia is (11 time zones!), like all jumped up psychos, Vlad wants more more more. More Russia. A larger Russia of 12 time zones.

With Russia preoccupied with Ukraine. Really, Xi ought to attack and invade Russia's East, or just send hoards of unarmed Chinese over that border. To take back South Siberian lands that were Chinese ruled for eons. -

22 posted on 09/08/2023 7:42:04 AM PDT by dennisw (Never attribute to incompetence & stupidity, that which is adequately explained by malice)
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To: dennisw

The feds whine about Musk if the stop wasting money on illegals and other money pits they could have many Starlink satellites.


23 posted on 09/08/2023 8:05:43 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: AndyJackson
Taking out the Russian Black Sea fleet might look less smart in the morning when you sober up after the counter strike on your most precious cities and assets.

Ask the Japanese how Pearl Harbor turned out for them.

24 posted on 09/08/2023 8:09:11 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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To: Vaduz

By slow-walking approval on SpaceX Starship (which Musk needs to lift the next generation of Starlink satellites) the FAA is trying to cripple SpaceX.


25 posted on 09/08/2023 8:12:31 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

The feds want full control of everything Musk is in the way and they don’t like it.

Hat tip to Musk


26 posted on 09/08/2023 8:23:50 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: dennisw

The original claim was made in a new biography, out on September 15, in which Musk asked author Walter Isaacson: ‘How am I in this war?’

‘Starlink was not meant to be involved in wars. It was so people can watch Netflix and chill and get online for school and do good peaceful things, not drone strikes.’

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Musk was relieved he had prevented what he believed could have been a ‘mini Pearl Harbor,’ the author said.

The decision, the book claims, was driven by a concern that a Ukrainian attack would lead to a Russian response on Crimea with nuclear weapons. That fear was spurred by Musk’s conversations with Russian officials.
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His motivations are peaceful. The world doesn’t need a nuclear war. Where are the negotiations for a peaceful settlement?


27 posted on 09/08/2023 9:16:56 AM PDT by KittyKares
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To: alexander_busek

“Yeah, “Better Red than Dead!””

Idiotic reply.

In no way is there a threat from Russia to make either the US or any of Elon’s many companies subject to communist control. There is however a real possibility that a nuclear weapons exchange will end the lives of millions.

The choice is not “be a commonest or be dead” as the phrase implies. The choice is millions possibly being dead...or not.

Elon chose ...not.


28 posted on 09/08/2023 10:48:01 AM PDT by Jotmo (Whoever said, "The pen is mightier than the sword." has clearly never been stabbed to death.)
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To: dennisw

“Musk is obviously too erratic to depend on in a war.”

Who says he has to be?
You?
Who is Musk at war with?
Musk is a US citizen. Who is the US at war with?
Has he been somehow drafted by the Ukraine government?
How is Musk obligated or expected be depended on in a war anywhere?


29 posted on 09/08/2023 10:57:10 AM PDT by Jotmo (Whoever said, "The pen is mightier than the sword." has clearly never been stabbed to death.)
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To: Jotmo
The choice is not “be a commonest [sic] or be dead” as the phrase implies. The choice is millions possibly being dead...or not.

The "choice" I was mocking is, in fact, a False Dilemma.

In reality, the two major alternatives are:

1. Give in to Putin's demands, no matter how odious or immoral, or

2. Do what is right.

Russia unilaterally invaded the sovereign nation of Ukraine, and has thus forfeited all semblance of the "Rule of Law."

Putin's Russia must never come away from this with the impression that its unlawful behavior has been rewarded.

Regards,

30 posted on 09/08/2023 12:48:04 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: dennisw
With Russia preoccupied with Ukraine.

The US is also preoccupied with Ukraine giving China a free hand, except Russia is doing their dirty work for them showing up the utter incompetence of US military planning to American and to the rest of the world except the rah rah go nuclear armageddon fools like yourself.

31 posted on 09/08/2023 1:13:41 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: dennisw
As is typical of most of the UK press coverage of the Ukraine war, this piece is a mish-mash of propaganda and outright lies. Though the piece does give Musk's side, they keep hammering the narrative that they want to sell:
But Musk denied the Ukrainian military the use of his Starlink network. When Musk switched the internet off, the drones, strapped with explosives, 'lost connectivity and washed ashore harmlessly,' Isaacson writes.

When in truth, Starlink had never been extended to Sevastopol. The Ukrainian army asked that it be extended, and Starlink said no. No one ever "turned the internet off", because it had never been turned on, at least according to Starlink and Musk. But the truth isn't as good a story as the preferred spin.

"Yeah, we wanted Starlink to extend coverage to Sevastopol to enable our internet-connected drone subs to attack the Russian fleet, and the big meanies said no." Just doesn't have the same ring to it as the lie.

Since when are US companies supposed to participate in attacks on foreign countries with whom the United Stats is not at war?

32 posted on 09/08/2023 1:46:02 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: dennisw

right, you are full of BS as usual


33 posted on 09/08/2023 1:49:31 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: chrisser

that cost starlink several million $$$ and musk had to put a stop it it, or have the DOD pay for the service


34 posted on 09/08/2023 1:51:48 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: dennisw

Your explosion of emotion and rage is shocking.


35 posted on 09/08/2023 1:53:55 PM PDT by Allegra (Stop the Zeepers from Censoring FReepers)
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To: AndyJackson
Another globalist war mongering rules based international order raises his head.

These people are wired strangely. They seem to crave nuclear war.

They think they do, anyway.

36 posted on 09/08/2023 1:58:17 PM PDT by Allegra (Stop the Zeepers from Censoring FReepers)
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To: alexander_busek

I think your choices are lacking some minor details.

“1. Give in to Putin’s demands, no matter how odious or immoral, or

2. Do what is right, and risk nuclear antihalation of millions of people over a European country we have no national security interest in.

Doing what’s “right” policy would have us involved in and taking sides in EVERY armed conflict on the planet, costing billion and sacrificing thousands of American lives.

Just no.

“Russia unilaterally invaded the sovereign nation of Ukraine, and has thus forfeited all semblance of the “Rule of Law.”

Putin’s Russia must never come away from this with the impression that its unlawful behavior has been rewarded”

Agreed on all of that.

So are you OK with the US being the “International Law Enforcement” for Europe?

I’m not.

Europeans should enforce “International Law” in Europe.

It’s not or our business.


37 posted on 09/08/2023 4:45:53 PM PDT by Jotmo (Whoever said, "The pen is mightier than the sword." has clearly never been stabbed to death.)
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To: Allegra
They want nuclear war over an issue that is of little interest to the US but is a vital national interest for Russia. The father of the modern neo-con Strategy Brzinski laid out the framework for destroying the Russian federatiion by taking Ukraine inside NATO and disrupting the Russian economy and capturing the resources. And folks like Biden and Nuland exectuted that strategy. So it is virtually a declared war to destroy Russia, and yet Putin is the agressor?

And the hero of the WOT, Cheney is cheering it all on. I have no idea what their theory of victory looks like or what they aim to do to achieve it. I do know that the Russians are handing us a pretty picture of their theory of us being a bunch of lazy, incompetent bullying losers looks like. It looks like the pride of UK their Centurian Tank buring in an anonymous field on an anonymous part of the great Eurasian Steppe that has been the downfall of Western and Eastern Armies since the Ancient Persians.

38 posted on 09/08/2023 5:10:42 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Allegra
"These people are wired strangely. They seem to crave nuclear war."
It may be a false impression, but it seems to me that the most bellicose and intolerant of different opinions are Freepers from Germany and Canada.
39 posted on 09/08/2023 5:48:50 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: dennisw
Obviously Elon Musk knuckled under to Vlad’s threats to take out a few Starlink satellites. And disrupt them in other ways too. Hack their computer systems? Or hack any computers in Musk’s empire of various companies.

Oh baloney. Haven't you been paying attention to anything?? Musk has become a major enemy of the deep state because he's been exposing them on x/twitter. That's why they're attacking him. And you're carrying their water by labeling him a Putin stooge.

40 posted on 09/08/2023 6:16:04 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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