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Wrong: for “us” it’s the rich pushing EU and NATO.

For Russia it was overwhelmingly security concerns regards NATO and having missile defense, missiles, troops, armored forces, fighters, bombers, our ships based in Ukraine.

Get this into your skull, NO ONE (China, Russia, or the US) want another major world power putting their bases on their border. We simply are so arrogant, and see Russia as weak, that we no longer care what they say. We feel we can steamroll them, and we have been, may it be in all their frontier nations, along their border, with treaties we simply decide to break (ballistic missile treaty), Minsk (cheated), and no NATO East expansion (lied).

Just an offer for you, and only you.

Put your money where your mouth is.

How about a bet?

***$100 that 1 year from now, Ukraine will not be in NATO, will still have lost land, not be in the EU, and their economy will still be in shambles?

If you’re so sure of yourself, if you know that Ukraine will take back that land and become a NATO member, it’s an easy $100 for you.

Think about it this way: if you’re unwilling to take the bet, and you know Ukraine has little chance of regaining its lost territory and won’t be a real NATO member for a while, what are the folks dying today, dying for? https://youtu.be/ZmInkxbvlCs?feature=shared

I understand there sometimes are circumstances where war is unavoidable, where death and destruction are necessary. I am by no means a pacifist.

-But this war was 100% avoidable.

-It was unnecessary.

-It was predictable.

-The outcome was predictable.

-***Worst of all, it was a war where despite all the sovereignty, democracy and human rights BS talk, WE put the the Russians in a position where they have legitimate security concerns and which WE would never accept today and have not historically.***

Our actions, what we initiated/set in motion, will have long lasting consequences for us too, may they be economic (the push for a new reserve currency, the growth of BRICS), and in security matters (Russia arming and providing Intel to folks that want to hurt us in the future - the proxy war games of the Cold War will make a return). Right now we feel like we’re masters of the situation, in control, and that they can’t really get us back, but they will. The world is constantly changing and it’s only a matter of time.

Do not be surprised when our boys suddenly get shot down by an advanced MANPADS or one of our ships has a big hole in its side someplace... Payback is hell. And of course when that day comes, words like “terrorism” will come flying from our pie hole, then it’ll suddenly be all different and what we did in Ukraine of course will be forgotten, because that’s just how we are. Of course our NATO allies if not in a position to personally benefit will forget us too.

This is a war where the MSM should be ripping this administration a new @sshole, but because it’s our corporate media, owned by our rich that wanted this, because the Euros are with us, and because he’s a Democrat, he gets a free pass.

Imagine these stories dominate our MSM: how we are financing a mercenary army. How we trained and equipment groups with a Nazi ideology. How many of these mercenaries come from poorer countries like Colombia and Brazil. How we sent Depleted Uranium ammunition to Ukraine. That our state department is essentially condoning the movement of fighters and money, Ukraine is recruiting from their state department offices in the US, and > 200 Americans have lost their lives. How we blew up a gas pipeline of an allied nation and what that is doing to them economically... But no worries, we have news, the Russians have propaganda.