“It would be helpful for you to identify “those who are actually IN the war” to whom you listen. Would you?”
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I always side on the defender’s side.
If Ukraine had attacked Russia and annexed 20% ot it’s territory, I would have been a supporter of Russia’s right to liberate itself by all means necessary.
However it turned out the other way didn’t it?
Ukraine was attacked and invaded by Russia.
The war will end when all russians soldiers will be out of Ukraine/Crimea.
Russia’s imperialism and expansionism cannot in anyway be accepted or tolerated in this time and age. We are not living in the 1800. We are in 2023.
Thanks for the statement, the additional explanation being unnecessary. I side with neither. We obviously can only differ, therefore.
1. Neutrality/objectivity means you take no side.
2. There was a lot that happened before Russia invaded. If you use the invasion as the starting point for determining fault, then we were the bad guys going into Afghanistan, Iraq... We obviously had a reason going into Afghanistan (harbouring OBL...).
That stuff which happened before Russia invaded matters: i.e. NATO East expansion, violations of Minsk, Ballistic Missile Treaty withdrawal. All of that played a role to varying degrees, even our efforts to peel away Russian aligned nations and how we went about bringing Ukraine into NATO. We didn’t consult with Russia or address any of their security concerns, rather we just were going to ram it down their throat.
What is for sure:
1. This war was entirely avoidable.
2. It was a high risk move to push NATO, basically stonewalling the Russians and their concerns (making this into a win-lose situation, basically given them the middle finger), and war was a possible outcome.
3. That if a war started, Ukraine would be severely damaged and lose more of its land, as in 2014.
It was a gamble, we had been arming Ukraine for a while and the cost to Russia will be high if they invade. The gamble being: can we simply force our way and will Russia acquiesce?
Be careful with words like propaganda, imperialism, bla bla bla. Meaningless really. Just emotional words that all depend on where you stand. We are as much, if not MORE imperialistic than Russia. We are the ones invading Iraq on false pretences, invading Syria, Libya, trying to overthrow the government in Venezuela... All oil producing nations, coincidentally, all Russian aligned. If you want to use terms like imperialism and invading nations, could it be that were the ones smelling blood in the water and going after Russia, a has been conventional force that really can’t fend us off taking over their frontier?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020) Our news isn’t talking about our boys that got caught in that mess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_intervention_in_the_Syrian_civil_war
Ask yourself this simple question: what national security need was there for us when we offered NATO membership to Ukraine? Was this really about our national security?
I agree with you 100%.
However, I must say this. "Might is right".
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