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Rather than keeping the fast-growing Guinea grass in check by regular mowing, or better still, removing and replacing with fire-resistant native grasses and plants, the Hawaiian government has allowed Guinea grass to take over large areas of the islands, including the mountain slopes abutting Lahaina.

Abby Frazier, a climatologist at Clark University told ABC News that “[t]he main factor driving the fires involved the invasive grasses that cover huge parts of Hawaii, which are extremely flammable.”

Then there was Hurricane Dora, a category four storm that had recently passed Hawaii, delivering strong winds of up to 62 miles per hour that drove the fires, once started, down the slopes with amazing speed.

Hot dry conditions, check. A large load of dry fuel, check. High winds, check. Now you just need an ignition source.

What sparked the fire has yet to be definitively determined, but something started it and when it did, the conditions were ripe for the devastation reported daily.

1 posted on 08/24/2023 7:17:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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SMDH. The little assclowns that cried ‘CLIMAGEDDON!’. Reaching broken record status.


2 posted on 08/24/2023 7:20:35 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉)
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The WEF? It’s possible.

The WEF has big plans for the rest of us.


3 posted on 08/24/2023 7:20:39 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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DEW


4 posted on 08/24/2023 7:23:45 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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Well then if this grass was ignited and caused this devastation, I would suggest the victims file a class action lawsuit , negligence for starters


6 posted on 08/24/2023 7:30:00 AM PDT by thesligoduffyflynns (WHEN 💎GOING THROUGH HELL KEEP GOING💎 IF IT DOEVeSNT KILL YOU IT will MAKE YOU STRONGER💎)
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Well then if this grass was ignited and caused this devastation, I would suggest the victims file a class action lawsuit , negligence for starters


7 posted on 08/24/2023 7:33:44 AM PDT by thesligoduffyflynns (WHEN 💎GOING THROUGH HELL KEEP GOING💎 IF IT DOEVeSNT KILL YOU IT will MAKE YOU STRONGER💎)
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The actual start of the fire was most likely an accident. However, I find it VERY DIFFICULT to believe that the government response was so totally INCOMPETANT. That level of incompetency would appear to be INTENTIONAL and DELIBERATE.

Mistakes happen, but when mistakes happen at the right time in the multiple locations with devastating results, it’s impossible to not believe this wasn’t a DELIBERATE act! Lack of proper forest/grassland management IS A DELIBERATE ACT.


9 posted on 08/24/2023 7:51:49 AM PDT by OHPatriot (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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Where’s the White House order for flags to fly at half mast honoring these fellow Americans? Have I missed something?


10 posted on 08/24/2023 7:57:17 AM PDT by wardamneagle
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EXPOSED! They’re All In On it | Maui Massacre

Hustle Bitch
Aug. 23, 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djYjSxb12ps

[note: imho one should be skeptical concerning the report of 183 bodies washing up on lanai since rev. hibbs is the only source for that information that i could find as of this posting time]


14 posted on 08/24/2023 8:26:00 AM PDT by SteveH
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“That level of destruction, and a fire hurricane, something new to us in this age of global warming, was the ultimate reason that so many people perished.”

Utter ignorance on display - intense fire is known to create its own wind to propagate more. Add in the wind from Dora that you note & the ignition source ID is the only part of the formula that remains unclear.


15 posted on 08/24/2023 8:26:23 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't. )
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It’s interesting that the landowners who let their land become neglected have not been mentioned. I looked at a map if landowners in Maui, and from the map it appears Kamehameha School is the landowner, unless the map is wrong. Kamehameha School is for Hawaiian children and run by Hawaiians. They are a huge landowner in Hawaii. Unless the map is wrong, Hawaiians helped burn down their town. Just the fact the landowners have not been mentioned ( due to PC) makes me suspect Kam school.
Of course, the electric company takes a huge responsibility. The response from the government was negligent.
Lahaina will take many years to build, and it will not be the same.What property owner is going to sit on that land and wait years for a rebuild? They are going to take the money from the wealthy, and leave. I don’t blame them.
If the people of Hawaii want to keep the land, and not have it be bought up by mainlanders, they have to take care of the land. They are not doing that.


22 posted on 08/24/2023 9:59:50 AM PDT by kaila
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Libtardism

Next question


23 posted on 08/24/2023 10:39:49 AM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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iirc, lahaina was the first historical capital of hawaii, and the capital that the hawaiians chose for themselves. they will always view lahaina in such a historical and cultural context. the capital was eventually moved to honolulu in 1850. the us instigated a coup in about 1893 iirc. there are not many native hawaiians left in the state, but there are still a large proportion of native hawaiians in lahaina. they tend to be working class (men) or have menial semi-skilled jobs or become homemakers (women). they do not make much money, but nevertheless maui is a very expensive place to live in general, from which it follows that many lahaina citizens live in a state of near poverty— they rent rather than own a home, and tend to live paycheck to paycheck. much of their employment depends on the service industry in general, and tourism in particular. i would guess that a relatively small proportion of them have college degrees when compared to people in other states.

anyways, lahaina represents their traditional cultural heritage of which they are very proud. they stay at lahaina by choice since it would probably be more lucrative for them to move to the mainland where they could make more money and live in a less expensive area— but they stay, in part because they realize that if people continue to leave lahaina, it will eventually become just another town with no preserved native culture and no one who recalls its historical importance to the islands and the hawaiian culture.

given the us led coup in 1893, native hawaiians have much to be resentful about against white usa haoles— iow, not just biden. he represents just the latest two-faced usa leader of a long list of such usa leaders that hawaii has had to suffer.

having said that, from the msm coverage, there does seem to be a trend to blame not just white people but also AGW. The blame on AGW seems to increase as one goes up the political hierarchy, becoming very pronounced at the highest levels of county government. and the citizens are very battered and will probably continue to follow any leader who gives them hope in the form of meager handouts. given that democrats are currently in charge at all levels of government up to and including DC, it does not seem unlikely to conclude as many observers already have that the native population will continue to support the corrupt political hierarchy that got them into the current mess, and at the same time they will continue to blame the white guys, without much sense of contradiction.

I note that McConnell has pledged some financial aid support when Congress reconvenes in September.

Not only does Lahaina need rebuilding, but much of its infrastructure was already in need of expensive attention when the fire hit. So I expect that lahaina citizens will get the short end of the stick once more and end up in some form of low cost pre fabricated government housing which will replace the houses in the historic district. a large amount of money will go to rebuilding infrastructure and infrastructure improvements. and another large amount of money will go to government waste and grift. there will be plenty of discomfort left over to fuel more hatred of white people. ideally there would be a better outcome, but it is probably best not to be too optimistic.


24 posted on 08/24/2023 12:15:25 PM PDT by SteveH
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btt


25 posted on 08/24/2023 12:30:58 PM PDT by GailA (Constitution vs evil Treasonous political Apparatchiks, Constitutional Conservative.)
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