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Ukraine needs a miracle to avoid unthinkable outcome
UPI via Yahoo ^ | August 23rd, 2023 | Harlan Ullman

Posted on 08/23/2023 2:21:08 PM PDT by Mariner

Tragedy has almost as many definitions and meanings as it has actual examples.

In terms of foreign policy, tragedy can mean a collision of two seemingly valid principles that come into conflict. In Vietnam, the noble aim of bringing some measure of peace, stability and justice to a war-ravaged country was unachievable under the guise of preventing the spread of "Godless, monolithic communism."

Tragedy is also inevitable when the obvious best outcome has no chance of surviving the brutal realities and harsh conditions required to end a conflict or war. Ukraine is the clearest example, as this tragedy continues to devastate that country and take too many lives of its citizens and Russian occupiers. The reasons are self-evident.

Ukraine wants its sovereignty and territory restored and Russian invaders expelled. For that to happen, at least one miracle is needed. Ukraine could shatter Russia's defenses, forcing its army to surrender or leave. For the time being, that outcome does not seem likely. Of course, Russian morale could collapse and its army could disintegrate.

Russian President Vladimir Putin could change his mind or be replaced with a leader who is prepared to abandon this "special military operation." As the German generals failed to assassinate or arrest Adolph Hitler, Putin seems very secure. Further, to the degree polls are reliable in Russia, Putin enjoys support from a majority of his citizens. Despite Western naysayers, unless or until Putin does leave his post, this possibility must be considered very unlikely.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: globalistfail; harlanullman; peace; peaceis; peaceisunthinkable
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This guys sits at the center of the international neocon universe, the Atlantic Council.

They know they've been beaten.

1 posted on 08/23/2023 2:21:08 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/harlan-ullman/


2 posted on 08/23/2023 2:21:22 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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“Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has repeatedly rejected exchanging peace and NATO membership for land. Yet, realistically, what options does he have? While the United State and NATO have promised support “for as long as it takes,” how long is that? In the United States, public consensus is eroding. Two Republican presidential aspirants have said they would end that war if elected.”

He forgot to mention 71% of the Republican rank and file voters oppose any further aid.


3 posted on 08/23/2023 2:23:04 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

In before the pompon wavers arrive.


4 posted on 08/23/2023 2:23:10 PM PDT by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021 and beyond.)
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“As distasteful as it sounds, thinking the heretofore unthinkable may be the only way to end this tragedy that at least gives Ukraine a fighting chance to survive. And that itself is a further tragedy.”


5 posted on 08/23/2023 2:24:23 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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I don’t think they’ll be here for this one.


6 posted on 08/23/2023 2:25:04 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Tragedy,
When the feeling’s gone, and you can’t go on, It’s tragedy


7 posted on 08/23/2023 2:25:18 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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Any such thing as a Ukrainian IRA or like our Puerto Rican nationalists?


8 posted on 08/23/2023 2:26:00 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (e allowed )
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This is fake Kremlin news! Ukraine is on da verge of glorious viktory over Mother Russia!! We shall break out in traditional Slavic song and dance routine to celebrate our achievement while Putin dies from miserable cancerous death!


9 posted on 08/23/2023 2:28:08 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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I’m sure we’ll find out


10 posted on 08/23/2023 2:28:33 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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“They know they’ve been beaten.”

Good. If these TRUMP HATERS are finally beaten, then perhaps they will FINALLY be dispatched and the West can start rebuilding relationships with other countries, rather than being toothless bullies.


11 posted on 08/23/2023 2:29:02 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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I’ve been saying for a year and a half that Ukraine will probably lose the war but win the peace. And that, perhaps, in the future, will give Ukraine ultimate victory. There are historical examples of this kind of scenario as well as modern ones.

Well, we’ll see.


12 posted on 08/23/2023 2:32:52 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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“I’m sure we’ll find out.”

Only for a day. Then the MSM will switch to something else.


13 posted on 08/23/2023 2:32:56 PM PDT by alternatives?
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Cry me a river.

It wasn’t that long ago that genocide of the Donabass people was quite thinkable.

Enough to talk about it on TV.

Behavior has consequences.


14 posted on 08/23/2023 2:33:02 PM PDT by MarMema (Eat your bananas, enjoy the decline)
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In many ways we send "aid" to Russia by not drilling baby drill. In that we we keep fossil fuel prices artificially inflated, which always enriches Russia. Then on top of that, thanks to Hillary and Uranium One, we're buying most of our uranium from Russia too.

End the aid to Ukraine. End the indirect aid to Russia by drill baby drill and mine baby mine.

15 posted on 08/23/2023 2:34:38 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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“Two Republican presidential aspirants have said they would end that war if elected.”

But all the establishment candidates are still all in?


16 posted on 08/23/2023 2:35:07 PM PDT by alternatives?
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Just in case anyone missed it:

Many thanks to FReeper Haddit for posting the full transcript of the 52 minute Tucker Carlson interview with Colonel Douglas MacGregor here:

FULL TRANSCRIPT of Tucker's interview with MacGregor posted to FR here

PS: I think Haddit TYPED IT UP because there's an apology for a mispelling of MacGregor and I see Nuland is spelled Newland. THAT is a LOT of work! I don't care about the typos - this is not a complaint. It's gratitude! THANK YOU, Haddit!

ON TWITTER: Ep. 18 Into the abyss: Colonel Douglas Macgregor tells us why the Ukraine war must end now (52 minute video).

       Aug 21, 2023

 

17 posted on 08/23/2023 2:37:37 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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“But all the establishment candidates are still all in?”

Sadly, yes.

Unless somebody hedges in the debate tonight.


18 posted on 08/23/2023 2:39:33 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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WunderWaffe!! Und STEINER!!!


19 posted on 08/23/2023 2:40:56 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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They need Corn-Pop in a bad mood, and more money.


20 posted on 08/23/2023 2:41:48 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) My dog Sam eats purple flowers.)
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