[Phoenix8]

Russia is no longer communist. Actually they seem more socially conservative than the Democratic Party in the USA.

I agree neither is perfect but I think both sides have valid points. Russia doesn’t want NATO expansion to the point it almost surrounds them (at least their most important region) and Ukraine has a right to defend their border, unlike the US apparently.

Now we can argue a lot of details like was the 2014 coup that put Zelensky in power staged by western deep state under Obama? or is Putin using NATO expansion as a frivolous excuse so he can conqueror the world?

Which is why I’m neutral but honestly as I’ve watched Biden and Hunter revelations on how they made money in Ukraine—traded favors as a VP etc I’m less critical of Russia than I would have been.

[Jeff Chandler]

Sorry Dude, you can’t remain neutral. Either you root for one team or you root for the other team.

At least that what it looks like around here.

“Rah rah, sis BOOM bah!”

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Russia is no longer communist. Actually they seem more socially conservative than the Democratic Party in the USA.

That's a rather low bar.

[ransomnote]

A few more details.

1. Russia went to the UN to request an investigation to the 50 UNited States bio labs (Including Biden's Metabiota) located in the Ukraine. Russia says they are bio warfare labs and wanted the investigation to prove it. Russia also says those American bio labs are tailoring bio warfare agents, releasing pathogens and conducting unauthorized tests on soldiers.

The UN, the US, Germany et. al. refused any investigation and vented their contempt on what they said was Russia's 'baseless' charges (sound familiar?)

So when Russia began the conflict, some of the initial strikes were on bio warfare lab locations identified as 'military facilities'.

Given that the UN refused to investigate, a move that could have proven there were no bio warfare labs present had the UN wanted to do so, Russia had another reason to invade.

I went looking for Russia's UN petition. The only place I could find any details about Putins UN petition was on the Russia.gov website. I posted a thread for that information here:

Irina Yarovaya presented the outcome report of the Parliamentary Commission on Investigation into Activities of the US Biological Laboratories in Ukraine PLUS MY COMMENTS

Well, as Russia believed the bio warfare labs were targeting Russians with bio agents and the international community refused to listen, I can see why he took action. I would not want China cooking toxic pathogens on our border and testing it on people.

2. Next - the western side of Ukraine was shelling the eastern side of Ukraine, despite making an agreement to stop doing so. The reason is ethnic cleansing - Western Ukraine is Ukrainian dominant and Eastern Ukraine has/had a significant population of ethnically Russian citizens. Agreements with Russia to stop the West from killing those of Russian ethnicity living in the east failed, so there was another reason.

3. Water to the Crimea was another key driver - the Ukraine cut off water to the Crimea. Starving the region of water wasn't going to work - wars have been fought over water before.

Ironically, it's NATO that is trying to expand its control world-wide. They want regime change in Russia and this proxy war was supposed to do the job.