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Nato may be about to sell Ukraine short – and make itself irrelevant
The Telegraph via Yahoo ^ | August 19th, 2023 | Colonel Richard Kemp

Posted on 08/19/2023 10:53:47 AM PDT by Mariner

Nato appears to have abandoned hopes of a Ukrainian victory. Speaking in Norway, secretary general Jens Stoltenberg’s chief of staff, Stian Jenssen, said that a peace deal might involve Kyiv ceding territory to Russia in return for Nato membership.

His comments sparked fury in Ukraine, and rightly so. While Jenssen later apologised for the way he had expressed his views, he did not retract them. Stoltenberg’s subsequent insistence that peace talks will happen on Kyiv’s terms will not have quashed suspicions that Jenssen has revealed how the West really sees the war.

A recent US intelligence assessment indicated that Kyiv’s counteroffensive will fail to achieve its objective of cutting Russia’s land corridor to Crimea. The gloomy conclusion drawn by some is that despite ongoing offensives by both Russia and Ukraine, neither side will make gains of strategic significance.

The answer to this apparent stalemate is not to pressure Ukraine into conceding Russian annexation of its land, but to change the facts on the ground. That can only be done by redoubling efforts to supply Kyiv with sufficient combat resources to drive Russia out, if not this year then next.

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To: dynachrome

Definitely. My favorite role ever.


41 posted on 08/19/2023 12:32:26 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Mariner
I sure hope so.

NATO should have gone away about 1992, before they got into the Balkan crisis.

42 posted on 08/19/2023 12:54:26 PM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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To: BenLurkin

Exactly. Fighting two world wars for Europe’s freedom(from themselves) and 70 years of spending trillions of our tax dollars to continue to defend these European ingrates is enough.


43 posted on 08/19/2023 12:59:57 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots.)
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To: Mariner

NATO is irrelevant. sad but true.

and our involvement in Ukraine didn’t help the credibility.


44 posted on 08/19/2023 1:06:13 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: BenLurkin

Nato has been irrelevant for a long time…. Their hubris opened the door to this war.


45 posted on 08/19/2023 1:26:22 PM PDT by MrRelevant
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To: ransomnote

Putin delusionally thinks he is Peter the Great and wants to rebuilt the Russian empire. The WEF EU has been perfectly happy doing business with him for now 2 decades and financing their nut job green energy policies via cheap Russian energy purchases.


46 posted on 08/19/2023 2:18:30 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

The WEF is connected to the UN and NATO and all are trying to replace PUTIN so they do business with Putin but prefer to take over Russia with the installation of their own puppet as was done in the Urkaine, and then ‘all your energy are belong to us!’


47 posted on 08/19/2023 2:24:39 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: EEGator; cowboyusa

“Tombstone”

Thanks guys.


48 posted on 08/19/2023 2:33:52 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Trump knows where all the bodies lie - just sayin.....)
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To: Mariner

NATO has been irrelevant for decades.


49 posted on 08/19/2023 2:35:51 PM PDT by Fledermaus (It's time to get rid of the Three McStooges; Mitch, Kevin and Ronna!)
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To: Mariner

The sooner the better. Ukraine can’t survive much longer.


50 posted on 08/19/2023 2:37:58 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: flaglady47

“I’m your Huckleberry…”
Doc Holiday


51 posted on 08/19/2023 2:50:48 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Mariner

“MOAR COWBELL!!!”

Sir, the cowbell is failing...

“MOAR COWBELL!!!”


52 posted on 08/19/2023 5:04:49 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (The President has been bribed for 30 years. WHO ELSE in government has been bribed?!?)
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To: Mariner

Nads And Testosterone, Optional

I said it way back then, and I repeat it now, NATO is not worth joining. Poland, Lithuania and the other members should quit and form a new alliance unique to Eastern Europe, perhaps with friendly ties to NATO, and invite Ukraine to join that.


53 posted on 08/20/2023 3:45:10 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Mariner

Giving in to RuSSia is exactly what Brandon and the Demonicrats want.

That is why he slow walks the REAL aid that would make the most difference.


54 posted on 08/20/2023 7:34:47 AM PDT by Vaden (Western civ is gone...)
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To: Vaden

“That is why he slow walks the REAL aid that would make the most difference.”

The strongest resistance comes from the Pentagon.


55 posted on 08/20/2023 8:49:49 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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