“They always ask me the same questions about being at war “Why are we here? What are we doing?”
“I tell them: "You came to war not to kill, but to die!"”
~ Archpriest Savva
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZMGDB76i3Y
Posted on 08/13/2023 5:45:38 AM PDT by tlozo
Russian Orthodox Priests are facing persecution by their church for calling for peace in Ukraine while Moscow’s war rages on.
At least 30 Orthodox priests have faced pressure by religious or state authorities for speaking out against the war, said Natallia Vasilevich, the coordinator for the human rights group Christians Against War.
There may be even more cases, according to Vasilevich, who said some priests are afraid to discuss repercussions for fear of further retaliation.
One of those priests, Rev. Ioann Koval, was defrocked after he prayed for peace in Ukraine following orders from Moscow Patriarch Kirill, the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, required all of his clergymen to pray for victory last September.
Koval said he lost is priestly rank for swapping one word in the prayer for another — “peace” instead of “victory.”
“With the word ‘victory’ the prayer acquired a propagandistic meaning, shaping the correct thinking among the parishioners, among the clergy, what they should think about and how they should see these hostilities,” Koval said. “It went against my conscience. I couldn’t submit to this political pressure from the hierarchy.”
Praying for peace in Ukraine also comes with legal ramifications, after lawmakers passed legislation following Russia’s Febryary 2022 invasion that allowed prosecuting people for “discrediting the Russian army.” The charge has been leveled against thousands of people and broadly used to punish any speech that contradicts Moscow’s official narrative.
While Vladimir Putin has set up an increasingly authoritarian regime during wartime, Kirill has done so as well within the Orthodox church, said Andrew Desnitsky, professor of philology at Vilnius University in Lithuania. “If you are not loyal, then there is no place for you in church,” said the longtime expert on the Russian church.
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“They always ask me the same questions about being at war “Why are we here? What are we doing?”
“I tell them: "You came to war not to kill, but to die!"”
~ Archpriest Savva
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZMGDB76i3Y
Ukrainian orthodox priests in touch with RUSSIA have faced violence and persecution in Ukraine since the beginning
Yep, NO WAY that the Neocons will allow anyone in Ukraine to call for peace, regardless of who they are.
LOL, "in touch with Russia". Or to be accurate, under the authority of the Moscow Patriarch Kirill, head of the Russian Orthodox Church, who has told his followers that "sacrifice in the course of carrying out your military duty washes away all sins."
I really surprised that the local people haven’t started killing these corrupt tyrants.
A government this oppressive should be actively resisted.
Yes, calling for "peace" like ~ Yevgeny Nikiforov, Head of the Orthodox Radio Channel “Radonezh” who said: “The illness in Ukraine is so far gone that you can’t convince them or negotiate with them. You can’t cure them this way! Only surgery will work there” “The only response to these statements by the Nazis is a Solntsepyok [heavy thermobaric rocket launcher]”
“I really surprised that the local people haven’t started killing these corrupt tyrants.”
I think part of it is that Ukraine was mostly able to send Russian-speakers and Ethnic Hungarians into their meat grinder. However, the number of men left that meet that description is obviously now significantly reduced, so they may be forced to actually use the hard-core, Nazi types from Western Ukraine (the ones enjoying their summer in Kiev and other cities far from the front lines). So once this ‘offensive’ is officially called off, there might be some ‘internal dynamics’ that start taking place, using a term from one of my many poly sci professors.
Sorry, never heard of this guy, for all I know he works for the Ukrainian government.
The “local people” are still serfs
Russians need their Tsar.
Yevgeniy Nikiforov, director of Moscow radio station Radonezh “Ukrainians aren’t Christians, but pagans. And one should deal with them like in the Old Testament - cut their throats”.
The Moscow radio station Radonezh brings the Christian faith to the people and is dedicated to Orthodox missionary work. On the radio you can listen to priests' sermons and interviews with high ranks of the Russian clergy
Still never heard of him.
Keep trying.
"Orthodox leader in Kyiv ordered under house arrest by Ukrainian court"
Source: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/orthodox-leader-in-kyiv-ordered-under-house-arrest-by-ukrainian-court
"Metropolitan Of Ukrainian Orthodox Church Sentenced To Three Years In Prison With Probation Term"
Source: https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-orthodox-church-metropolitan-sentenced-/32409335.html
Seems that both sides in this officially non-NATO war between two officially non-NATO nations comes down to a matter of whose "ox is being gored."
And the oxen haven't got a vote. Sucks to be the oxen.
Rather like that form of democracy in which two wolves vote to devour one sheep. Sucks to be the sheep.
I'm not sympathetic to wolves, nor those who gore oxen, no matter which flag waves over them.
Anyone can pull a trigger or lob a grenade into a cafe, not to mention more sophisticated strategies those "serfs" learned on the battlefield.
But your comment serves to sum up the Ukr-nazi (and DC) mindset succinctly, thank you.
“Backlash” as opposed to being arrested and have his church destroyed like is happening to Orthodox Christian priests in Ukraine?
“I really surprised that the local people haven’t started killing these corrupt tyrants.
A government this oppressive should be actively resisted.”
Yeah, me too! This oppressive corrupt tyrant Putin needs to be taken out.
You just stole my thunder! Right on.
Shut up with your Nazi mantra! Putin himself said that he is the biggest nationalist ever existed. Go search on Youtube and hear it from the horse’s mouth.
Look up the meaning of ‘local people’ in your training guide.
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