Posted on 08/08/2023 7:52:34 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
One of the key aspects of the indictment of Donald Trump in DC federal court is that he allegely lied about claims of election fraud that would have affected the outcome, despite his closest confidants and others telling him there was no outcome-determinative fraud.
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I would have a follow-up question: based on Bush v. Gore, it concerns the interest of the U.S. in finality. At what point does that kick in? According to the Supreme Court, this interest kicked in by December 12, 2000, with regard to that year's election, with respect to counting and recounting the Florida vote, and certifying that state's election. But, in 2016, this process continued to the counting of the Electoral Vote when the Vice President (Joe Biden) had to gavel down Democrats objecting to the count. But, in 2017, Hillary continued to claim Trump was an illegitimate president (and, as far as I know, continues to do so). How come Hillary wasn't indicted for conspiracy, while Trump is?
Trump is not the only one.
“How come Hillary wasn’t indicted for conspiracy, while Trump is?”
Easy now.
Truth, Logic & Reason have no place in Democrat politics.
It’s just “Because Trump . . .”
It’s not a lie if you have the facts that it was stolen but are barred from biased courts from presenting those facts on the basis of “no standing”, and feckless governors and mayors etc ignore evidence while they cont8nue to repeat THEIR lie that the election was legit. it is not agaisnt the law to beleive that it wasn’t legit, especially when so many strange but predictable events took place when vote counting was closed for the evening with Trump way ahead, only to resume the next day with Trump trailing by a lot.
Questions like that are becoming rhetorical, as it becomes apparent that we have a legal system that is weaponized against those not in "the club", or the club's useful idiots.
Although eventually the useful idiots are in for a surprise when they're no longer deemed useful.
I know he won.
The perfect opportunity to present evidence of fraud: Trump believes it was stolen because...and present a million pages of evidence.
“Trump is not the only one.”
You got that right. We KNOW for a FACT that Beijing Biden got nowhere near the 81 million votes that he claims to have gotten.
“no outcome-determinative fraud”....
Ummm... so the documented ballot harvesting, the over-counts, the under-counts, the midnight shenanigans of numbers being updated despite no counting going on (supposedly), none of the midnight, unsecured ballot deliveries not signed for, nor the vote records scribbled from voting machines that had been under subpoena... none of that (all of which is very well-documented) didn’t impact the election? Never mind that a single state or two where much of this was going on - were decided by the very shenanigans documented...
I hope he can do it- the judge though seems like a far left agendas, and may bar h8m from presenting it for one reason or another. Trump has had his right to defend himself severely crippled in past cases agaisnt him. The left get to present whatever they want, but Trump is usually barred from having that same basic right
“Trump is not the only one.”
That was my first thought also, and the millions that continue to doubt the outcome can’t be dismissed as a bunch of stupid, blind, Trump addicts.
Of course the election was stolen even if the fraud itself wasn’t enough to change the outcome. What do Americans know about any public figure? Only what we hear through the media. In Trump’s case, the media consistently lied and mischaracterized everything he did. Much money was spent on collecting Democrat votes. Organizations backed by private and public funding did everything possible to turn out the Democrat vote. Again, even if every single vote was legitimate, the swamp tipped the scales in every way possible, including ridiculous impeachments.
This is why I’m voting Trump no matter what in 2024. The swamp must be destroyed. They certainly are out to destroy us, and Trump is their biggest obstacle to fundamentally transforming the USA. Any Republican not on Trump’s side at this point is my political enemy, too.
His lawyers better have more than that. How about all of the grounds for dismissal before this crap even goes to trial?
I mentioned that many people on this website believe that Trump won.
Surveys indicate that a majority of self-identified Republicans do.
Ditto after the 2016 election, a majority of self-identified Democrats think Hillary won.
Going way back to 1960, Richard Nixon thought the Democrats stole that election from him (specifically, Illinois and Texas). (This is the first election of which I was aware in real time.)
I personally know many candidates for state and local office who, losing in a close election, feel they were cheated (and maybe they were).
It shouldn’t take much to demonstrate the Trump’s state of mind could easily have been that he had won the election.
Maybe I’m just naive, but HOW does one expect to be able to PROVE what another human truly believes?
Trump won 18 of 19 bellwether had voted with the winner since 1980. No objective person believes the 2020 election was valid, only those covering up the fraud or those that Trump.
I agree, I just didn’t like the way the lawyer put it.
Yep- Trump is exactly right when he says that the left are not just coming for him, but for us too. The ,eft have waged a hosti,e takeover of our nation, and they can .ie, cheat, ostracized, even imprison or even cancel anyone that gets in their way. They have to power and co trol of powerful entities like the fbi, cops, courts, judges, the msm, etc to pull it off too.
If we lose the next election to a liberal, our nation will be in very serious trouble. It’s already In trouble, but a loss next election may make it impossible to legally win any further elections for president. There is no way thouhg that 81 million people voted for a ca dilate who hid in his basement and refused to debate or campaign. IF that did happen, (and its a huge IF) then our nation is irredeemablY lost.
Even if he did not believe this in his heart of hearts, he did nothing that was illegal or criminal.
Why give up ground?
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