Posted on 08/04/2023 12:36:48 PM PDT by Mariner
“So unsure you had to post it twice. Fail.”
Yeah? Who? Where are the swarms of people pushing up against the Russians borders, and streaming across?
Your Russian propaganda won’t fly.
“Actually a lot of people try to move to Russia.”
Yeah? Who? Where are the swarms of people pushing up against the Russians borders, and streaming across?
Your Russian propaganda won’t fly.
You failed again. You have still never provided my exact quote to support your claim that I believed and followed the cultural stereotypes. I never said the words “I believe,” or “I believed.” I simply presented the cultural stereotypes that were typical of the time. You chose to interpret them as my own belief. I could say Jesus is black, but that doesn’t prove that that is what I actually believe. You took a comment you knew to be a description of the cultural attitudes of the time, and tried to claim that it was my personal belief back then. You put words in my mouth, and thoughts in my mind from the period of time we were talking about...the 60’s. How great of a mind-reader do you think you are, that you can go back 60 years, and actually know for sure what my personal beliefs consisted of? If you think you’re that good, you should go on the road so you can try to flim-flam more people with your amazing mind.
“You failed again.”
Nice try.
“You have still never provided my exact quote to support your claim that I believed and followed the cultural stereotypes.”
But, I did. And so did you. You believed the stereotype because you said so: “I know that for a fact, because one of the girls I graduated with in 1965 joined the military, and the scoop back then was she was a dyke.” Thus, you accepted the stereotype. Moreover, you never refuted it; nor did you say it was unjustified. Your words were pretty explicit; and they were without qualification (i.e., you didn’t seek to restricted or limit them in content or substance or meaning).
“I could say Jesus is black, but that doesn’t prove that that is what I actually believe.”
Then why would you say it? If you didn’t believe it, or weren’t sure, you’d have said, “There is a theory that Jesus was black.” But, you made a definitive statement: “Jesus is black.”
“You put words in my mouth...”
No; you did that yourself: They were YOUR words; and I cited them verbatim.
“...and thoughts in my mind from the period of time we were talking about...the 60’s.”
One writes what is in one’s mind; where else can they come from, unless one is plagiarizing?
“How great of a mind-reader do you think you are, that you can go back 60 years, and actually know for sure what my personal beliefs consisted of?”
I wasn’t reading your mind; I was reading your WORDS.
Words you added your own meanings and interpretations to.
“Words you added your own meanings and interpretations to.”
No; your words were pretty clear.
Or, do you usually say things you don’t mean, or don’t believe?
I gave you a link. You can’t read?
In 2022 Russia citizenship was acquired by more than half of million people.
“In 2022 Russia citizenship was acquired by more than half of million people.”
Misleading. Russia illegally annexed parts of Ukraine and handed out citizenship to residents there.
“In 2022 Russia citizenship was acquired by more than half of million people.”
Misleading. Russia illegally annexed parts of Ukraine and handed out citizenship to residents there.==
No those numbers are additional to those from returned territory of Novorossiya(5 mlns more). Half million became citizen fulfilling all procedure and test which take 5 years. For example Snowden and his wife are in between of this half million. They got citizenship in 2022. His 2 sons got citizenship by birth in Russia.
“No those numbers are additional to those from returned territory of Novorossiya(5 mlns more). “
What do you mean, “returned territory?” The territory Putin gobbled up had been Ukrainian for generations. It was not “returned” to Russia, because it had never been Russian (though, it had at one time been part of the vast Russian Empire; but the majority of its people were not ethnic Russians). Or, do you forget that?
And, Snowden? Do you mean the traitor?
What do you mean, “returned territory?” The territory Putin gobbled up had been Ukrainian for generations. ==
This territory for generations is called Novorossiya. The name is self-revealing, isn’t it?
Novorossiya was given to Ukraine by soviet commies. And now Russia is just returning it back home. Restoring justice.
And, Snowden? Do you mean the traitor? ==
Yeah the guy who disclosed that American government spy on her citizens. Who was stuck in Russia by revoking his passport by SD. Now he lives freely in Russia with his wife and kids. Compare his destiny with one of Julian Assange.
Weak argument, Ivan.
Your “New Russia” is just like “New” England; or “New” York; or “New Hampshire.” In other words, it is NOT Russia; just as New England is NOT England; and New York is NOT York; and New Hampshire is NOT Hampshire.
And, you talk about spying on its citizens? Russia is probably the biggest offender in that regard, and has been for a hundred years, at least.
Your “New Russia” is just like “New” England; or “New” York; or “New Hampshire.” In other words, it is NOT Russia; just as New England is NOT England; and New York is NOT York; and New Hampshire is NOT Hampshire.==
For New England and New York you may be right but Novorossiya always was a part of Russia from founding time. Simply during soviet times commies teared it off from Russia. Temporary. Commies gone now so Novorossiya is returning back.
And, you talk about spying on its citizens? Russia is probably the biggest offender in that regard, and has been for a hundred years, at least.==
Your “probably” is not a fact but your insinuation. And I care less if US government spy on her citizens. But the fact that the guy who reveled this had to ran out of US for shelter in other country. It give us a taste of REAL “democracy” in US.
“…but Novorossiya always was a part of Russia from founding time.”
No, it hasn’t.
“Your ‘probably’ is not a fact but your insinuation.”
Nice try, Ivan. You either know nothing of your own country’s history or you are a liar. And I suspect it is the latter.
“And I care less if US government spy on her citizens.”
Of course you care less! Because your homeland does it as a matter of routine, you likely assume it is the norm everywhere. But, while your homeland engages in it, and thus it has been accepted as routine; we here in the US – with the exception of Democrats – very much oppose our government spying on the citizens. We do NOT accept it.
“But the fact that the guy who reveled this had to ran out of US for shelter in other country. It give us a taste of REAL ‘democracy’ in US.”
Snowden violated his security clearance and compromised his own government. That is why he beat feet to Russia and charges were brought against him here. And what did Russia do for him? Russia made him a Russian citizen! Probably as consideration for Snowden giving up some American national security information to Russia when he got there.
“…but Novorossiya always was a part of Russia from founding time.”
No, it hasn’t.==
No it has. Novorossiya became a part of Russia starting 18 century as a result of a victory in few russo-turk wars.
If you check out who founded towns of Novorossiya you find that there was a number of Russian generals or governors.
Mariupol, Kherson, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov, Lugansk and so further. All was founded by Russians. I know our history.
You’re so dim, you have contradicted yourself and you don’t even know it.
If “Novorossiya” became part of Russia “from founding time” that means Novorossiya became part of Russia when Russia was founded; thus, Russia and Novorossiya were created at the same time. That is what you have said, Ivan.
Then, you compound that by saying Novorossiya became part of Russia “starting” in the 18th century. So, by your words, Russia must not have existed prior to the 18th century.
But the facts are that Russia acquired from the Ottoman Empire, by conquest, that area north of the Black Sea in the 18th century; which Russia then named Novorossiya. So, you see, Russia had to have existed prior to Novorossiya in order for Russia to have acquired it.
You claim several towns or cities were “founded” by Russia.
That, also, is untrue. They predated Russia’s conquest, and Russia just renamed them. For example, Odessa had been founded in the 14th century by the Tatars as Khadzhibey; when Russia acquired it 400 years later Russia renamed it.
If “Novorossiya” became part of Russia “from founding time” that means Novorossiya became part of Russia when Russia was founded; thus, Russia and Novorossiya were created at the same time. That is what you have said, Ivan.===
“From founding times” I meant of Novorossiya not of Russia. I simply can’t imagine what you may not understand. Everyone in Russia knows it but you are just illiterate in this matter moreover stupidly illiterate..
Nice try, kid. I read what you wrote, and how you wrote it. I can’t help it if you can’t write a coherent sentence.
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